The Texan wrote: Typical American mentality, bigger is better, no matter the cost. Sorry, but that is the mindset that must be overcome. I am no tree hugger, but there has to be a compromise, if our grandchildren are to enjoy the world we live on.
Considering the public debt we are leaving our grandchildren, I doubt they'll notice the environmental damage that my emissions-compliant-at-time-of-build big block gasser is doing.
Quote: VW's little 1.2L 3-cylinder will easily do 80 MPG, if driven right, but has a suicidal 75 HP at 4200
No, you're not thinking. A 75HP compact car was COMMON a couple decades ago! Liz's Metro has less than that (I recall 55HP).
John and Elizabeth (Liz), with 3 nutty cats
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The Texan wrote: Typical American mentality, bigger is better, no matter the cost. Sorry, but that is the mindset that must be overcome. I am no tree hugger, but there has to be a compromise, if our grandchildren are to enjoy the world we live on.
When do you dispose of your RV, get rid of your house, ride a bicycle everywhere, and move into a 250 square foot apartment with no air conditioning?
mowermech wrote: While we are discussing the WHY's of diesel engines in Europe and the U.S., it would behoove us to ask WHY the European models get upwards of 75 miles per gallon, while the U.S. certified versions of the SAME CAR are only rated at 45 MPG!
Thank you, regulatory agencies!
The tests are NOT the same! Even the Canadians test differently and rate THE SAME CAR much higher.
Problem is, even the US EPA numbers are hard to meet in the real world, so achieving the higher figures is even tougher.
Keith J.
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The Texan wrote: Typical American mentality, bigger is better, no matter the cost. Sorry, but that is the mindset that must be overcome. I am no tree hugger, but there has to be a compromise, if our grandchildren are to enjoy the world we live on.
I am not trying to be a jerk here but your response would hold much more merit if you weren't cruising around in a huge oil burner at the same time having a big gas burner for a toad.
Sorry, but the discussion is "current" and future, not years old equipment. Believe me, when these go, it will be for smaller and more efficient. We have downsized our S&B over 50% in size and took the very inefficient furnace/AC out and replaced it with the most energy efficient model we could buy. the mindset for the future must be rethought. or we will go down in world stature, very fast. Do you want your grandchildren living in a third world country.... I don't but that is where we are headed, unless we come into the future and leave the past.
Bob & Betsy(FishNFanatic) - USN Aviation Ret'd '78 & LEO Ret'd '03 & "Oath Keeper Forever" '05 HR Endeavor 40PRQ, 400 Cummins-Pulling our '11 Silverado LT, Ex Cab 6.2L NHT 4x4, w/2010 Rzr or 01 V Star in back. Where the wheels are stopped today
The Texan wrote: Sorry, but the discussion is "current" and future, not years old equipment. Believe me, when these go, it will be for smaller and more efficient. We have downsized our S&B over 50% in size and took the very inefficient furnace/AC out and replaced it with the most energy efficient model we could buy. the mindset for the future must be rethought. or we will go down in world stature, very fast. Do you want your grandchildren living in a third world country.... I don't but that is where we are headed, unless we come into the future and leave the past.
Now that you mentioned it.... I have a ball park estimate that energy use at the consumer level can go down roughly 1/4 over 10 years on a per capita basis without any change in the standard of living.
sch11 wrote: Far more likely that Chrysler/Fiat would use VM Motori engines. In fact these are already in production in some Chrysler/Jeep vehicles in the European Union.
Jeeps outside NA use 3 Litre VM engines.
Kaydeejay wrote: I agree SOME other countries still pollute.
BUT, if you look at the European regs (close to those of countries like Australia) they do not have the fixation on low Nitrous oxide levels that our Feds/EPA do. This low NOx limit is what makes diesel certification VERY difficult in the US.
HOWEVER, if the US regs zeroed in on the European Carbon Dioxide requirements, you probably wouldn't be driving your EX!
The Problem is US diesels cannot be sold in Europe and anywhere else where Euro V or the up coming Euro V1 is used. In other words basically the rest of the globe. Japan and the Scandinavian countries have their own legislation as well. Marking a modern European diesel US Tier acceptable is not that difficult, trying to sell diesels in the US is more of a problem. Another odd thing is they allow larger diesels in the US(HD Pickup and Class 8 trucks) exemption from the new Tier regulations. Very strange indeed.
ksss wrote: CNH AKA CASE and New Holland have been using Iveco engines for years now. My CASE equipment had the CASE-Cummins engines in them which of course were good engines. Many, including me were a little skeptical of the new engine. After over 15K hours over several different pieces of heavy equipment, I am not missing the Cummins engines. I have yet to see one go down (same track record with the Case-Cummins) but these engines recover faster and are better on fuel. I miss the sound of the previous engines, but the performance is better.
The Cummins and IVECO 5.9 engines are basically the same engine. Yes IVECO are producing some good diesels now.
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The Texan wrote: Typical American mentality, bigger is better, no matter the cost. Sorry, but that is the mindset that must be overcome. I am no tree hugger, but there has to be a compromise, if our grandchildren are to enjoy the world we live on.
When do you dispose of your RV, get rid of your house, ride a bicycle everywhere, and move into a 250 square foot apartment with no air conditioning?
I did that when I signed the enlistment papers and went to Europe for ten years. Been there, done that, got the t-shirt.
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.. I don't but that is where we are headed, unless we come into the future and leave the past.
