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MitchF150 wrote:Oh my.... 
Mitch
Yikes! That's an accident waiting to happen.
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MitchF150
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Looking at this pic, it would appear to me anyway, that there is not enough tension on the WD bars if only 2 links are hanging and 7 are under tension.
Even with my #5000 TT and #700 TW, I have 3 links hanging and 6 are under tension..
Another thing I see you have the break away cable routed THRU the chains... In general, the consensus is that you want it connected to the vehicle that is NOT part of the hitch as hanging free.
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LTCLarry
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BarneyS wrote:the bear II wrote:Usually a sway problem will be caused by not enough weight at the tongue of the trailer. When you put your Harleys in the back you are adding approximately 1000 lbs to the rear of the toyhauler which will act as a counter balance at the tongue.
Try adjusting your WDH to put more weight at the tongue rather than send the weight across the frame of the Tundra. Otherwise try to get the Harley weight as close to the front of the toyhauler as possible.
The first paragraph is correct but the second one is wrong. You DO need more tongue weight but adjusting the WD hitch is not going to change it. Tongue weight is tongue weight and the only ways to change it is to move some weight in the trailer forward of the axles, move the wheels/axles themselves, or change the tongue length.
Adjusting the hitch only changes the effects of the tongue weight on the tow vehicle. It will NOT make a trailer that is tail heavy stop swaying or change its' tongue weight. You need to get some weight off the rear of your trailer OR add some weight to the front when you put the bikes in the rear. Maybe the fresh water tank is up there and will need to be full, or some other tank like a gas tank.
Usually, toy haulers have a VERY heavy tongue weight when unloaded in order to compensate for the weight of the toys when loaded in the rear. Sounds like your trailer manufacturer forgot about that important item, or you are loading heavier than the trailer is designed for.
A single friction sway control bar is not enough for that long or heavy of a trailer. You should be using two of them, even if the trailer is balanced correctly. Even better would be a hitch with built in sway control such as the Reese "Strait Line" hitch or the Equal-i-zer hitch. There are others also.
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Divacat wrote:LoneCowboy wrote:not enough tongue weight.
two harley's probably weigh 1600lbs or more, way at the back end.
there's no weight on the tongue.
Our bikes don't weigh more than 1100 lbs overall. I have a Sportster 883 and he has a Vrod.
But even still - if the weight of the bikes are offsetting the tongue weight then that would make sense.
go weigh those bikes
I think you'll be shocked at what they really weigh.
A sportster is well over 500lbs, a V-rod isn't light either.
Motorcycle manufacturer dry weights are a joke.
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pappcam wrote:MitchF150 wrote:Oh my....
Mitch
Yikes! That's an accident waiting to happen.
x2! possible improper WDH setup along with too much weight for the Tundra.
i'm not sure that if the tongue weight is over the Tundra's max, that re-adjusting the WDH will help that much.
don't feel bad, many newbies make the mistake of listening to and trusting the RV dealer/salespersons.
probably the #1 newbie mistake.
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Looking at the picture the truck is a Crewmax. looking at Toyota's website the best tow rating of any Crewmax Tundra is 9900 if a 4x2 base, drop that to 9300 for the limited package, drop it to 9000 if 4x4. Those are based on the SAE J2807 standard.
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Divacat wrote:We just bought our first TT Toy Hauler - 2012 Work and Play by Forest River. It is 30 ft long/9000 lb. dry weight. We are pulling it with a 2012 Toyota Tundra 5.7L - tow package plus we added the WDH and a sway bar on one side. First time out we loaded our bikes (two harleys) - the trailer is all over the place. We could no exceed 50 mph or the TT would sway. We are at a loss of where to start on getting control of the TT. The specs on the truck state it is rated to pull the TT. If we have a WDH and a sway bar why is it still swaying so badly when we haul it? We have only had it out the one time (loaded with bikes) and it was the most stressful experience ever. I am scared we just made a significant mistake...what should have been our dream is now a nightmare. Do we need to add a sway control to the other side of the tongue? Does that make a significant difference? I can't imagine what it would have been like to pull with no WDH or sway bar.
We had a 26' toyhauler with a goldwing and a 650 custom inside 8800 dry weight. TV 2007 5.7l Tundra. Towed NP up and down mountains and all. The weight in the rear is the problem. If yours is like mine they set the axles further back on the TH. Load all items you possibly can forward of the axles and your next trip will be fine.
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You need to load the toys further forward into the trailer to get some of the weight forward of the trailer axles. I think you are going to need to tighten the WD hitch and put more to the front of the truck as well. The friction sway control is totally inadequate for a trailer that size and your dealer proved to you he cares nothing about your safety. I would get the entire rig weighed to see where the weight is to check against the trucks rear axle rating as I suspect you are over and that is not good. If the weight on the rear axle is OK you will need a better hitch for sure. I would recommend a good integrated sway control hitch like the Reese Dual cam but do not spend any money to you are sure about the axle rating. If you are over on the axle rating you have made an expensive and dangerous mistake. It is possible to load less toys in it and you may sneak under that axle rating but I doubt it. Even if you can make all that work you need to lose the P rated tires if you do not already have LT tires. In any case you have too much trailer for the truck, a common mistake by newcomers. Give the dealer that sent you out like that a call and tell him what you think about him.
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I have an 07 Tundra 5.7 and tow a 28ft 8900 lb Dutchman trailer it was all over the place with a friction anti-sway bar. Removed it and installed twin cams to the setup. Made all the difference in the world. Steady as can be even in 25 mph. Had to make an emergency braking stop due to someone trying to pass between me and a tractor (3 side-by-side) trailer on an one ramp at intersate speeds. No sway at all and stayed under control. I suggest the duel cam system.
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Ron3rd
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Divacat wrote:We just bought our first TT Toy Hauler - 2012 Work and Play by Forest River. It is 30 ft long/9000 lb. dry weight. We are pulling it with a 2012 Toyota Tundra 5.7L - tow package plus we added the WDH and a sway bar on one side. First time out we loaded our bikes (two harleys) - the trailer is all over the place. We could no exceed 50 mph or the TT would sway. We are at a loss of where to start on getting control of the TT. The specs on the truck state it is rated to pull the TT. If we have a WDH and a sway bar why is it still swaying so badly when we haul it? We have only had it out the one time (loaded with bikes) and it was the most stressful experience ever. I am scared we just made a significant mistake...what should have been our dream is now a nightmare. Do we need to add a sway control to the other side of the tongue? Does that make a significant difference? I can't imagine what it would have been like to pull with no WDH or sway bar.
For a minute there I thought you said you are going to pull a 9,000 dry weight toy hauler with a 5.7 Tundra, which I happen to own btw.
Sorry to break this to you, but you need a bigger truck.
Like others said, if you can get the weight distributed right, you might get a better result, but you're still gonna exceed the payload rating, etc.
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