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RaiderGirl33

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pianotuna wrote:

Hi RaiderGirl,

You can use the air conditioner, or the microwave, or the hot water heater. Just not all three at the same time.

Do monitor the voltage. It would be good to know what each device in the RV draws.

I often heat up the water once a day (in the morning)--then do "load balancing" for the rest of the day between any other high draw items.

Another "route" to go is to have a large inverter and power just the converter from shore power.

Some inverters also will draw from the battery bank on a temporary basis when high demand items start up.


So if I don't run the air, and turn on the hot water tank only when I need it I should be fine? It's a 30 gallon hot water tank so I can turn it on a half hour before we shower there are only 3 of us. The electrical will be good enough for the fridge, lights, radio, phone chargers and some occasional microwave use?





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30 gallon water heater???? Big is usually 10 gallon. RV water heaters generally heat higher than home units so that through blending you get more hot water to use.

The fridge and water heater should both have a propane mode. On both it may be listed as gas, instead of propane.

Yes the batteries charge during the day but anything that runs off ac, 110 house voltage, will either run from the shore power or through an inverter.

The fridge should be fine running on ac while you are away also.

The biggie you can't do is run A/C, micro and water heater at the same time. BTW gas water heating will heat the tank in just a few minutes. Other possibility is while gone for the day leave the fridge and water heater on ac while you are gone. Just remember to turn the water heater off when you get back before using the micro or a/c.


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Be careful with planning on a 20amp circuit... some of the outlets have one leg at 90 degrees, which requires another adapter (dogbone) that is ~$70 USD, and not readily available.

It's better to plan on 15amp and carefully monitor your electron use.


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Hi RaiderGirl33,

I've never seen a 20 amp female outlet that did not have both vertical and horizontal slots. Not so with the male version.

I'd go with "dog bone" adapters. 15 to 30, and then a 30 to 50.

I think I'd turn on the electric water heater one hour before use. Recovery time on my ten gallon from ambient is a little over 90 minutes.

It may be important to monitor voltage should the air conditioner be used. It would not hurt to monitor voltage when using the microwave. Other than that, all the other items may be safely used.

I keep a kill-a-watt plugged in to monitor voltage.

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RaiderGirl33 wrote:

So if I don't run the air, and turn on the hot water tank only when I need it I should be fine? It's a 30 gallon hot water tank so I can turn it on a half hour before we shower there are only 3 of us. The electrical will be good enough for the fridge, lights, radio, phone chargers and some occasional microwave use?



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I'll kind of second or third what everyone else said but with a slight twist. Go ahead and get the two dog bone adapters. They are probably available in the RV section at Walmart. The dog bone adapters are the ones with a short piece of heavy gauge wire between them not the little hockey puck style adapters.

Plug it in and enjoy. I don't see any reason to run the refrigerator or water heater on propane, that's only wasting you propane. Just be aware that the microwave, water heater, and AC are your three big draws. Take a moment to think and only allow one of the three to be on at a time and you'll be fine.


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RaiderGirl33,

It is not all that tough.

We have a near 40yo coach that is 50amp, and I run it on a 15amp circuit all the time.

You just have to think....

Look in your AC breaker box. Since the unit is 50amp, it will have two mains - probably tied together. There should also be separate breakers for the Air Conditioner and the water heater. If it does, pop both of those open (to off). If the water heater will run on propane, then that is a big non-issue. If it is ac only (rare in RV world - outside of park models), you will just have to remember to turn it on when you need it and put a tag on the microwave so nobody starts it.

You can make it work if you are willing to Think...

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Sounds crazy to me to worry about all that when you can just put your water heater and fridge on propane if you have propane/AC capabilities.

Then all you have to worry about is not running your microwave at the same time as the air cond.

Propane will not cost you that much.

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A regular outlet (like the one on the front of the Kill-A-Watt pictured above) is 15 amps.. If the neutral "pin" is "T" shaped then it is 20 amps.

Your plug is 50 amps times 2 legs.

if by "Regular" plug/outlet you meant a TT-30 (Travel Trailer 30) that is 30 amp.

I'd suggest you find a new site, one with a 50 amp RV outlet.

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15 amp you may have issues with even one air conditioner (or not) Good for charging batteries though.

20 amp, ONE big ticket item (A/C, Microwave, Water heater)
30 2 big ticket items
50 "All you can eat"

NOTE: small ticket items (TV) generally don't count and can be used.


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Don't be surprised though if you have trouble running the AC or microwave even if you are not running them at the same time...

Me? Being plugged into 20A tells me it is only good for keeping the batteries charged with a light or two on...




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Hi M Go Blue,

It would take a heck of a lot of lighting and a very large converter to cause issues on 15 amps.

If I were the OP I'd run everything I could while monitoring voltage. I might add I'm the original chicken and won't run the air conditioner below 109 volts (at 108 it goes OFF).

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