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Posted: 05/09/12 07:42am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Here is Lippert service bulletin:
http://www.lci1.com/images/Flyers/LIPShe........airing-frame-cracks-in-axle-location.pdf

I believe that they have been repairing these at their cost in many cases.


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This must be why MorRyde came out with the X-Factor. Lots of discussion out there on this topic.

Here is the MorRyde product.

MorRyde X-Factor

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Now that Lippert has purchased Dexter's chassis division, will they stand good for the issues on frames that were built before the take over? I have read that Lippert has the same issues on their chassis as the cross member design is similar. I have also read that Lippert was fixing these at their expense beyond the warranty.

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ExRocketScientist wrote:

I have the same crossmember setup on a 2003 Jayco. The welds started cracking on mine. I ended up welding some trusses I made crosswise of the trailer and have had no further issues. I used the trusses because I had some additional use for them being there. Really all you need to do is weld up the crack, fishplate the area, and box the spring hangers. The first two items fix the damage. The latter keeps it from happening again. It involves nothing more than welding a piece of 3/16" thick 2x3 channel to the backs of the spring hangers crosswise of the trailer. You can see what I am talking about by looking it up in the Dexter axle catalog. They recommend it for trailers with 7K and up axles, but I would recommend it in your case no matter what the axle rating is. Alternatively, you could install the Mor Ryde X-factor cross member.



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57 Panhead wrote:

Now that Lippert has purchased Dexter's chassis division, will they stand good for the issues on frames that were built before the take over? I have read that Lippert has the same issues on their chassis as the cross member design is similar. I have also read that Lippert was fixing these at their expense beyond the warranty.

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I did not mention it, but I initially contacted Lippert and was told that they assume no responsibility for any Dexter frames made prior to the buyout of Dexter frame. Fortunately I continued to pursue the issue in other ways and may get some support from Lippert but not sure!!!


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RamTX wrote:

EXRocketScientist,

Sounds like you had the same exact problem I have. Did you try and get Dexter to help in fixing it-just wondering. I also failed to mention that I installed the Dexter EZ Flex system on my trailer which I think you might have installed. I somewhat understand what you did, but a picture (as they say is worth a 1000 words) if you are able to take one would be greatly appreciated. One other question, was the C channel installed between the I-beam, welded all around or just welded in a couple of places? Thanks for your excellent response.

This all started when a piece of "angle" that was really just sheet metal fell out from under the trailer. That is when I noticed the other problems. I have always had bad luck with Jayco, and this was not exception. The frame is marked Leland, who were bought out by Dexter Chassis before being bought out by Lippert. I could not believe that piece of sheet metal was structural, I thought it was there simply to have a place to attach three ground wires. I called Jayco to confirm this, as I was going to cut the 1 foot section off of the end that had the ground wires attached, weld it to the side of the frame and be done with it. I got the standard response from Jayco that indicated that nobody except a Jayco dealer could possibly do anything to a Jayco trailer (including installing a paper towel holder!). Here is a link to what I did and it has some pictures from the area where the piece fell out:

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24801436.cfm

Last year, I upgraded to LT tires and moved my spare underneath in the area where the big piece of sheet metal C channel was where the welds cracked. I installed trusses for this too and here is the thread for that:

http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseac........d/25706444/gotomsg/25777521.cfm#25777521

Here is the link to the information from Dexter. See page 26:

http://dexteraxle.com/i/u/6149609/f/9-15........log_7-11/9-15K_Complete_Catalog_7-11.pdf

And yes . . . I installed the EZ-Flex on my fiver.

BTW: The frame of my fiver is so strong now I can put my floor jack under the bottom of the spring hanger and jack both tires and the landing gear on that side off of the ground (don't try this at home . . . I had to have it sitting in the right spot to do this to avoid damage to the landing gear leg on the other side, and the hanger is the special Jayco one with some additional reinforcements I have made).

Almost forgot to answer one of your questions: The C channel was only welded in a few spots. It is welded in a few more now. Then again, I'm the one doing the welding so I have a tendency to over do it.


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RamTX wrote:

57 Panhead wrote:

Now that Lippert has purchased Dexter's chassis division, will they stand good for the issues on frames that were built before the take over? I have read that Lippert has the same issues on their chassis as the cross member design is similar. I have also read that Lippert was fixing these at their expense beyond the warranty.

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I did not mention it, but I initially contacted Lippert and was told that they assume no responsibility for any Dexter frames made prior to the buyout of Dexter frame. Fortunately I continued to pursue the issue in other ways and may get some support from Lippert but not sure!!!


This is troubling to me since we have a 2012 trailer with a 2 year warranty and Lippert is orphaning all Dexter chassis? I would think that they would have to at least honor those warranties. Hope my chassis holds up.

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So from all of this, the frame stress and cracking is caused by weak spring hangers. These frame builders have always known the cause. Trailer manufactures are known for over loading the frame and springs.

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jdog wrote:

So from all of this, the frame stress and cracking is caused by weak spring hangers. These frame builders have always known the cause. Trailer manufactures are known for over loading the frame and springs.

It is not weak spring hangers. It is the torsion applied to the frame due to the hangers having leverage on the bottom of the frame when you go into a turn. The trailers with tube subframes on them or that use rectangular tube for the main frame rails don't have these problems -- it is extremely difficult to twist a rectangular or square tube. That is why I sugges to people who want 2 to 3 inches of extra ground clearance to add a subframe with crossmembers at each spring hanger. From above, the subframe looks like the number 8 on one of the old 7 segment LED digital displays. It virtually eliminates all of the frame twisting issues. If you converted any of these trailers to single axle from tandem, frame cracks and cracked welds would be virtually unheard of. The problem with actually doing the conversion though is you would definitely need to "tube" the frame to spread the weight bearing over a larger are like the three spread out hangers in the tandem axle arrangement does.

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ExRocketScientist wrote:

jdog wrote:

So from all of this, the frame stress and cracking is caused by weak spring hangers. These frame builders have always known the cause. Trailer manufactures are known for over loading the frame and springs.

It is not weak spring hangers. It is the torsion applied to the frame due to the hangers having leverage on the bottom of the frame when you go into a turn. The trailers with tube subframes on them or that use rectangular tube for the main frame rails don't have these problems -- it is extremely difficult to twist a rectangular or square tube. That is why I sugges to people who want 2 to 3 inches of extra ground clearance to add a subframe with crossmembers at each spring hanger. From above, the subframe looks like the number 8 on one of the old 7 segment LED digital displays. It virtually eliminates all of the frame twisting issues. If you converted any of these trailers to single axle from tandem, frame cracks and cracked welds would be virtually unheard of. The problem with actually doing the conversion though is you would definitely need to "tube" the frame to spread the weight bearing over a larger are like the three sp@read out hangers in the tandem axle arrangement does.


I belive you are wrong. Cardinal and Montana trailers and others with or without subframes experience this issue. It is simply the fact that the cross members in the axle area are welded to the vertical part of the of the I-beam right behind the area that cracks. This is above the lower horizonal area of the I-beam. In fact a subframe most likely makes it worst, as it moves the point of spring attachment farther from the cross members, creating more leverage.

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