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Jarlaxle

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Posted: 05/28/12 06:52pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Denial is a terrible thing.


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I owned a 6.0 and other than the engine think it is the best truck, BUT its not a national secret this engine is a failure. The worst diesel next to that GM 350 way back..

Sure there are many people who bash because its a ford, then there are many like myself that have experienced the problems of the 6.0

Im sure there are many out there that are still fine, but I wouldnt touch a used 6.0 psd unless it had a warranty. You know probaly not even then, wouldnt want to be stranded...

Said it many years ago, they are nice looking trucks, and there are going to be many on lots for sale when owners run out of warranty and dont want them anymore..and MANY are going to buy them .....and be sorry......BEWARE USED 6.0PSD

The MOTOR is what gets you down the road...... cummins and duramax is the way to go, ITS already fact they are FARRRRRRR MORE relaible than a 6.0 psd...

Its just funny because some get all butt hurt when you talk about them and think its just bashers and trash talkers..ITS no secret...ask ford...


W4RLR wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

You need to stop projecting your own shortcomings on others, newsboy. Everyone but you realizes the 6.0 is a turd. You are still in deep denial.
He is not in denial. And he is not alone in his confidence in the 6.0. There are literally thousands of 6.0 owners who do not have problems with their Ford trucks with 6.0 engines. My truck's engine is not a turd. It pulls like an ox and has taken me cross country several times with nary a hiccup.

Isn't denial a river in Egypt?


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W4RLR wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

You need to stop projecting your own shortcomings on others, newsboy. Everyone but you realizes the 6.0 is a turd. You are still in deep denial.
He is not in denial. And he is not alone in his confidence in the 6.0. There are literally thousands of 6.0 owners who do not have problems with their Ford trucks with 6.0 engines. My truck's engine is not a turd. It pulls like an ox and has taken me cross country several times with nary a hiccup.

Isn't denial a river in Egypt?


I'm not in denial either... I now have 169k miles on my 6.0 psd. My engine has all original parts except for 1 EGR valve and an O-Ring seal. I do the maintenance myself using all Motorcraft filters and follow fords recommended service intervals. I even use Ford's Gold coolant with distilled water and not a lick of problems with the cooling system. The truck does go thru batteries though, but it may have to do with having the original alternator.

The denial part of owning this truck would not to say this is the best truck I've owned to date. I prefer it over the Dmax truck any day or my brother n law's soot clogging 6.7 Cummins that he was forced to unload.

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FishOnOne wrote:

The truck does go thru batteries though, but it may have to do with having the original alternator.



Replace / upgrade the ground wires in the following places:

Use the braided copper straps with soldiered ends on it.

Battery to chassis (do a strap to body, and then to frame, and a separate strap to alternator housing).

Alternator: aux. ground wire strap from alternator frame to body.

Then an additional strap from alternator frame to vehicle frame.


Install a second POS (+) cable from alternator to battery.

Upgrade the battery (+) cable to frame / body.

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I'd sure like to see a pic of that 169K mile odometer reading. Talk is certainly cheap, especially for a engineer not to post credible links or photos? Maybe the sanitation variety.
Sure funny how they had a bunch of POC's, and a certain few got the "nice engine" with no problems Maybe that "special" wrench you own. Oh wait maybe you didn't need a tool. Maybe yours was PNP
Seriously you expect anyone here to believe a 169k mile PSD 6.0 with only a EGR replaced? The flag is flying high, either post some creditable evidence or go back to your FOMOCO forums where everything is all blue roses.
Your a disgrace to guys like Ricatic, JR45 and Rollingrock who know full well what it takes to makes a 6.0 bullet proof.
That was sure a nice comment comparing a "soot catching" DPF engine to a pre DPF engine. Any comparisons with bias ply tires?


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ANY DURAMAX AND ANY CUMMINS IS LIGHT YEARS AHEAD OF A 6.0 PSD!!!!! Doesnt mean EVRY 6.0 IS JUNK.... BUT I wouldnt want to depend on it... OFTEN makes me wonder over the years HOW MANY guys like you have had to eat their words... oh my truck this.. this is the most fought about truck out there.... hey I love fords, but hate any vehicle that has unreliable history.....

BESIDES I feel SORRY for the OP and this should not take this turn at his expense , seems they always do..













FishOnOne wrote:

W4RLR wrote:

Jarlaxle wrote:

You need to stop projecting your own shortcomings on others, newsboy. Everyone but you realizes the 6.0 is a turd. You are still in deep denial.
He is not in denial. And he is not alone in his confidence in the 6.0. There are literally thousands of 6.0 owners who do not have problems with their Ford trucks with 6.0 engines. My truck's engine is not a turd. It pulls like an ox and has taken me cross country several times with nary a hiccup.

Isn't denial a river in Egypt?


I'm not in denial either... I now have 169k miles on my 6.0 psd. My engine has all original parts except for 1 EGR valve and an O-Ring seal. I do the maintenance myself using all Motorcraft filters and follow fords recommended service intervals. I even use Ford's Gold coolant with distilled water and not a lick of problems with the cooling system. The truck does go thru batteries though, but it may have to do with having the original alternator.

The denial part of owning this truck would not to say this is the best truck I've owned to date. I prefer it over the Dmax truck any day or my brother n law's soot clogging 6.7 Cummins that he was forced to unload.


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I would love to have another 6.0 PSD again. I would buy one again in a heartbeat if I needed a truck that I had a use for. I often think I should not have sold mine. If I was rich I would have kept it and bought the class A. I can't afford both.

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45Ricochet wrote:

I'd sure like to see a pic of that 169K mile odometer reading. Talk is certainly cheap, especially for a engineer not to post credible links or photos? Maybe the sanitation variety.
Sure funny how they had a bunch of POC's, and a certain few got the "nice engine" with no problems Maybe that "special" wrench you own. Oh wait maybe you didn't need a tool. Maybe yours was PNP
Seriously you expect anyone here to believe a 169k mile PSD 6.0 with only a EGR replaced? The flag is flying high, either post some creditable evidence or go back to your FOMOCO forums where everything is all blue roses.
Your a disgrace to guys like Ricatic, JR45 and Rollingrock who know full well what it takes to makes a 6.0 bullet proof.
That was sure a nice comment comparing a "soot catching" DPF engine to a pre DPF engine. Any comparisons with bias ply tires?




Fish has only 169,000 miles?

I got well over 1/4 million.

Yes, the EGR valve went, so did one EGR cooler, but the rest of the engine is factory stock --- with a few minor upgrades like turbo drain hose and all the software upgrades. The blue spring mod is sitting in my truck waiting for installation.

None of the other "upgrades" are absolutely necessary if you run stock, no tunes.

Oh, the factory drivers seat completely wore out and had to be replaced.




ricatic:

You know how hard my truck was used most of its life.

And you also know my track record for identification of unnecessary fixes and the use of cheap fixes (e.g. reset the computers).

Tell me did I "disgrace" you by running my truck stock and having it work reasonably bulletproof?



* This post was edited 05/29/12 08:24am by NewsW *

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Based on the description, my money is on the fuel injector pressure regulator. I have a coworker who has a shop on the side where they fix mostly Fords and Chevies, and lots of diesels. He had what sounds like the exact symptoms, and pulled his hair out for a week. The FICM was calling for a high duty cycle, but it wasn't getting any fuel due to the lack of oil pressure to drive the injectors. Until he was able to make up an adapter to check those oil pressure feeds to the injector, he couldn't, see how far below the spec it was.

In hindsight, it makes sense. When cold, the oil viscosity was high enough to let it run. As the oil warmed, the oil thinned out and couldn't run the injectors.

So that's my best guess. Keep us posted on what they find out!

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@gioe


Good guess.

One of the first checks when the vehicle gets on the Ford IDS system is to do the IPR flutter test.


Here is the IPR/ICP diagnostics PDF:

oregonfuelinjection.com/6.0L diagnostics.pdf


and the culprit






Another reason I recommended from the word get go that the OP get the truck checked out by a reputable 6.0 guru.

The guru I referred to would have spotted and fixed that problem.

See this link:

http://powerstrokenation.com/forums/showthread.php?t=57817

* This post was edited 05/29/12 08:23am by NewsW *

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