We are planning on buying a K-Z Coyote 23CFK hybrid. Its UVW is 4821 pounds. GVWR is 6000 pounds and CCC is 870 after propane and water. We are trying to narrow down options as far as vehicles to tow it. The vehicle will also be used to go back and forth to work. We are looking for a car that will fit 2 adults and 4 kids in car seats. We originally had these cars on our list: Ford Expedition, Toyota Sequoia, Dodge Durango, Chevy Suburban, GMC Yukon, or Nissan Armada. We have narrowed it down to the FE, TS, DD primarily due to reliability. We are planning on buying used and want to spend less than $20,000 but would prefer to be closer to $10,000.
Please let me know.
1. Any recommendations on which car.
2. Whether this sounds like a reasonable set up with this trailer and one of these cars.
3. How to best make sure the used vehicle we are buying is outfitted to tow what we need given all the different models/packages available. It seems like a lot of the modifications made to the engines must be from the factory for the higher towing capacity per the dealers. I realize after market things can be done like a transmission cooler, but we'd prefer not to do it that way.
NONE! NADA! ZIPPO! of the above! Look at 8 lug 25+ series rigs ONLY! By the time you put 6 people, a few other odds and ends, along with 600-800 lbs of HW for that trailer loaded ready to go, you will have ALL the above overloaded payload wise.
If you wish to ask how I know............been there did that done that. Kids are now 25, 25, 22, 20. Add in a couple of alaskan malamute, canoe etc, and we usually took a 6600 lb crewcab SW3500 truck, and was in the 9000-9500lbs range, trailer was 4500 empty, 6000-7000 lbs loaded ready to go depending upon if we were summer camping, light! or using it as a ski hut, HEAVIER!
DO NOT THINK SMALL! think larger payload, ie minimum of 2000 lbs per the door sticker, 1500-1700 will be a bit narrow if not too little.
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I am somewhat concerned about your cargo capacity with any of those vehicles, as the above post mentioned. You are going to have a LOT to haul in whatever vehicle you get.
However, I can tell you about the Sequoia. If you get the Limited edition, it includes the tow package, and it is a very good vehicle. To stay around $10K, you will need to go back to a 2003 with high mileage or a year or 2 older with low mileage. Sticker on the new ones is over $50K.
I paid $10,500 for mine, a little over a year ago. It's a 2003 limited, had 150K miles on it when I bought it. I bought it off a private seller on Craigslist, and have been very happy with it.
2006 Toyota Sienna
Single empty-nester in Middle TN
I can say it enough we have 5 in the family plus a yorkie and tow a 2001 keystone bobcat with a 2003 suburban 1500 all day long with no problems. I have the trailer tow package the real one with the auto ride system and 4.10 gears. I get unloaded 18 hwy 13 city towing in the hills 10 flat ground 13.5. Our camper is near the 6000lb mark when camp ready. When I say say the hills I mean hills we went to the smokies and the rockies both with this truck and trailer combo. Pulled great I thought over both milage did brought on those trips over the hills to 8 but I was happy with that. Did I mention that our burban now has 185K trouble free miles on it. We have had to do normal maintance but nothing bad still the same transmission and front and rear diffs along with the motor all original.
When you are considering the purchase of a tow vehicle, the safety of your family is your first concern. I understand, like everybody nowadays, that you have financial constraints that you have to live with.
I noticed that stated the dry weight of the trailer. You should NEVER base the size of a tow vehicle on the dry weight of a trailer. Always use the trailer GVWR. From your list of possible vehicles, all truck based vehicles would be your best choice. You need to ensure that the GVWR of the vehicle will exceed your actual combined needs of loading and trailer pulling. While others will suggest that what I'm saying is Hogwash, I'm not.
As far as buying a used vehicle, for towing and daily driver, I would have problems with that. Buying used to use as a daily driver is not the issue, it's using it to tow. You don't really know how the previous owner operated or maintained the vehicle.
If you decide on a used vehicle, and it doesn't have an original tow package on it, then a auxiliary transmission cooler is a must and also an appropriately sized weight distribution hitch system
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You're on a budget and of course want bang for your buck; full-sized vans can be found at bargain-basement prices.
Same chassis & running gear as their full-sized pickup siblings but much less demand for them, hence deals are out there.
If you search, you'll find members of the forum who are very happy with their full-size vans for recreational/family duty.
I'm betting you could find an E350 with the 5.4L V8 or better yet the 6.8L V10 in that $10g range that would give you even more passenger & cargo room and capacity than you'll need plus plenty of chassis & drivetrain to tow your trailer. Yeah, it'll have some miles, but any vehicle at that price point will. Many will have seen fleet duty, which means hard use but regular maintenance that offsets the life they led.
Much more challenging- and expensive- to find 4x4 vans so hopefully your can live without it.
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-2008 F250 XLT 4x4/CC/SB
5.4L 300/365 V8 Torqshift 4.30AAM
9400lb GVW 11200lb tow
-2007 Volvo XC90 AWD V8
4.4L 311/325 V8 6sp Aisin loaded
6100lb GVW 5000lb tow
-1999 Land Cruiser
4.7L 230/320 V8 4sp A343 loaded
6860 GVW 6500lb tow
Ditto the responses so far....especially how much a family can stuff into and
onto a car, CUV, SUV, pickup, van, etc...
Most 'cars' have GVWR (gross vehicle weight RATING) around 5K lb GVWR, +/-
Most 'mini vans' have GVWR around 5.5K lb, +/-
Most 'CUVs' (Crossover utility vehicle and are derived from the above two) are
a ditto in GVWR range of the car/van/etc they are derived from
Most 'SUVs' (sports utility vehicle) or 'trucks' have GVWR's ranging from 5K GVWR to 8.6K GVWR
Most 'pickups' or 'trucks' and full sized 'Vans' have GVWR's ranging
from 5K to over 10K lb GVWR
ANY TV (tow vehicle) can be over loaded...just that the bigger ones
have a higher rating. Most newbies will stick to the low end class GVWR as you
are. With MPG very high on their must have list. Okay, but understand that, that
will limit how big a trailer it is rated to tow. Want a bigger trailer...then get
a bigger TV
Suggest you learn HOW2 figure the setup based on it's ratings and on that, first
decide if you believe in the 'ratings' or not. If not, then do whatever and ignore
the ratings and hope to understand that risk management decision (aka...gambling)
If yes, then learn how it works and what 'your' TV's ratings are
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1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
If you want reliability in an older unit, I would steer away from the Durango. Many issues in the older ones with the Hemi. I also agree that you need an Excursion or 2500 Suburban for that size family and and a 6k trailer. Cargo capacity is your problem, and the 1500s won't have it.
"A fifth wheel trailer is a bi-level towable mobile home."