FishOnOne wrote: Said another way this Tow Rating specification is simply a way to standardize the methods to rate a vehicles towing capacity.
That's it in a nutshell.
Right now, none of them are using the same standards, so no equal comparison can be made from manufacturer provided rating numbers. The only apples to apples towing comparison information we have to go on are from the performance tests done by the magazine companies. GM wins most of those lately.
Current generation of each truck, apples to apples...
The subject is tow ratings. The SAE J2807 is to tell you what a truck is capable of day in and day out not just how one can beat the other in the 1/4 mile by less than a second. I will choose the one that is capable to go the long haul with a proven history......RAM with the Mighty CUMMINS!
Also did you see the GM VS Ford loaded, frame, ramp test??? Ford's tailgate buckled! GM did not mention how the RAM did because RAM passed also, the video shows the RAM in the first part of the test. That is an examply of why Ford backed out of the SAE spec it shows their frames weakness compared to GM and RAM.
The subject is tow ratings yet a towing test conducted by an unbiased source directly comparing the trucks doesn't apply?
OK...
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nevadanick wrote: Cummins12v98, i dont think you understand meeting spec. All the brand trucks meet some sort of spec, but in different capacities. Dodge has just chosen to base thier tow ratings on the ratings that will be standardized and the others have chosen not to. It doesnt mean that Ford or GM or anyone else doesnt meet certain ratings.
And all school children meet some sort of spec from kindergarden through senior in high school.
The kindergardner would struggle with Algebra even though he may meet spec.
Would seem kinda silly to compare them....YA think?
So am I to assume you are saying the Ford is the kindergardener?
When the little kids try to play with the big kids, they usually get hurt.
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Lets do this a different way. You tell me what spec Dodge meets ? I say that SAE J2807 is a standard at which they calculate the ratings on the trucks. Sure they can say they meet the spec but at what gross rating.
nevadanick wrote: Lets do this a different way. You tell me what spec Dodge meets ? I say that SAE J2807 is a standard at which they calculate the ratings on the trucks. Sure they can say they meet the spec but at what gross rating.
Ram meets what they claim so does GM, Ford claims to also but they are a no show because they can't backup what they claim. Talking about HD on all three. Better?
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nevadanick wrote: Cummins12v98, i dont think you understand meeting spec. All the brand trucks meet some sort of spec, but in different capacities. Dodge has just chosen to base thier tow ratings on the ratings that will be standardized and the others have chosen not to. It doesnt mean that Ford or GM or anyone else doesnt meet certain ratings.
And all school children meet some sort of spec from kindergarden through senior in high school.
The kindergardner would struggle with Algebra even though he may meet spec.
Would seem kinda silly to compare them....YA think?
So am I to assume you are saying the Ford is the kindergardener?
When the little kids try to play with the big kids, they usually get hurt.
Fine I am done playing with you, don't want you to get hurt. Whatever.
FishOnOne wrote: Said another way this Tow Rating specification is simply a way to standardize the methods to rate a vehicles towing capacity.
That's it in a nutshell.
Right now, none of them are using the same standards, so no equal comparison can be made from manufacturer provided rating numbers. The only apples to apples towing comparison information we have to go on are from the performance tests done by the magazine companies. GM wins most of those lately.
Current generation of each truck, apples to apples...
The subject is tow ratings. The SAE J2807 is to tell you what a truck is capable of day in and day out not just how one can beat the other in the 1/4 mile by less than a second. I will choose the one that is capable to go the long haul with a proven history......RAM with the Mighty CUMMINS!
Also did you see the GM VS Ford loaded, frame, ramp test??? Ford's tailgate buckled! GM did not mention how the RAM did because RAM passed also, the video shows the RAM in the first part of the test. That is an examply of why Ford backed out of the SAE spec it shows their frames weakness compared to GM and RAM.
The subject is tow ratings yet a towing test conducted by an unbiased source directly comparing the trucks doesn't apply?
OK...
It applies to what they all can do during those tests and if that is all that matters to you that is fine. There is always more to it than what is on the surface. If you agree to the SAE spec and they agree that what you are claiming is true then that is a fair claim if they all agree to it. At one point they did until Ford backed out. That tells me that GM and RAM's claims can be backed up by an independent long term dependability test.
I won't deny I am partial I know the RAM with the CUMMINS will be around long after the dust has settled.
I agree let's see what happens but you can't hide the fact Ford knows they would not meet what they are claiming. GM will and so will RAM because they stepped up the game by making all new super strong frames and Ford has been claiming the same big numbers on paper. Now they need to step up put a modern high strength frame under their trucks.
I won't deny I am partial I know the RAM with the CUMMINS will be around long after the dust has settled.
I agree let's see what happens but you can't hide the fact Ford knows they would not meet what they are claiming. GM will and so will RAM because they stepped up the game by making all new super strong frames and Ford has been claiming the same big numbers on paper. Now they need to step up put a modern high strength frame under their trucks.
Another thing to ponder. Even though the GM is not the top rated truck in HP or Torque,,, it repeatedly wins the hill climbs.
Lots of speculation as to why. Some say that GM sand bagged it's numbers...Not likely as some will buy a truck based on the highest rating. Some say the Allison is much more efficient.. Perhaps,but I seriously doubt it's that much.
And then there is the theory that the GM can put out their rated power continuously, and the other brand only for a short time before the computer pulls back the power to protect the motor... This theory in my mind is plausible. Especially when reading some of the test reports when they said that the GM would at times slowly lose ground to the OB, but only about 25% of the time. Not enough to keep the GM from being faster for the total climb.
Perhaps another way to fudge the ratings is at play here.
I won't deny I am partial I know the RAM with the CUMMINS will be around long after the dust has settled.
I agree let's see what happens but you can't hide the fact Ford knows they would not meet what they are claiming. GM will and so will RAM because they stepped up the game by making all new super strong frames and Ford has been claiming the same big numbers on paper. Now they need to step up put a modern high strength frame under their trucks.
Another thing to ponder. Even though the GM is not the top rated truck in HP or Torque,,, it repeatedly wins the hill climbs.
Lots of speculation as to why. Some say that GM sand bagged it's numbers...Not likely as some will buy a truck based on the highest rating. Some say the Allison is much more efficient.. Perhaps,but I seriously doubt it's that much.
And then there is the theory that the GM can put out their rated power continuously, and the other brand only for a short time before the computer pulls back the power to protect the motor... This theory in my mind is plausible. Especially when reading some of the test reports when they said that the GM would at times slowly lose ground to the OB, but only about 25% of the time. Not enough to keep the GM from being faster for the total climb.
Perhaps another way to fudge the ratings is at play here.
I can tell you from personal experience that Ford does not put as much hp to the ground as Cummins apples to apples. My Cummins is rated at 350hp the Ford is 400hp. My truck procuced 304 rwhp an a dyno in Las Vegas in May. The BD Ford truck 327hp. Ford is over an 18% loss and mine is a 13% loss. My guess is Ford is fudging their numbers or Cummins is not adding what they could. When Cummins went from 650 tq to 800 they did not increase hp numbers.
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