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I would be upset about this, too, not so much with the mice, they are just trying to survive but with the KZ people. I can't for the life of me figure out what the large holes are for but the smaller holes may be for some through fittings to access the frame area. If those holes also afford access to the interior, someone is not doing their homework.
You can buy round vents in similar sizes at the big-box stores. They are aluminum and most have a screen attached to the back. You may be able to find a direct fit for the holes. I think a metal vent would be a better solution than foam. Foam tends to shrink after a few years and it doesnt take much space for a mouse to gain entry.
The picture of the plumbing supply lines speaks volumes, to me. If that is the original type of work (and I have no reason to believe it's not) that is at hand, you will need to carefully inspect ALL of your rig. If it was my TT, I'd get into those covered spaces and start adding in material to fill all of those big holes and support some of the mechanical components. Unbelievable!
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The holes are obviously from manufacture and meant to be there for whatever reason. Depending on size, you should be able to find metal or rubber plugs to fit in. The cut out area for the plumbing is pretty typical for the RV industry. It's in an area that normally isn't seen so why bother getting fancy.
All manufactures have to meet a price point. There are going to be things that one would like to see done better. That is why the RV becomes a project for some of us. We try to bring things up to our standards.
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Cool Canuck wrote:The holes are obviously from manufacture and meant to be there for whatever reason. Depending on size, you should be able to find metal or rubber plugs to fit in.
I agree that the holes may have served some function but KZ should have plugged them after the manufacturing of the TT was completed if that was the case.
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Cool Canuck wrote:The holes are obviously from manufacture and meant to be there for whatever reason. Depending on size, you should be able to find metal or rubber plugs to fit in. The cut out area for the plumbing is pretty typical for the RV industry. It's in an area that normally isn't seen so why bother getting fancy.
All manufactures have to meet a price point. There are going to be things that one would like to see done better. That is why the RV becomes a project for some of us. We try to bring things up to our standards.
It's not always about "getting fancy". There must be massive air intrusion in that plumbing area. I would think that someone doing the connections would be comfortable with a lot smaller cutout than what I'm seeing. Also, a wire tie to support the supply lines is not going to cut it in my world. A simple butterfly pipe clamp could be installed in less than a few seconds with minimal cost.
Agreed on the frame holes, though. There must be a reason. Perhaps the constructor needs the hole to fillet weld the inside of the cross beam to the frame rail. We don't know, at this point. I'm with the OP, though, there could have been plastic plugs inserted after construction and that would have been the best practice.
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Any holes we put in our trailer, or even ones that were not filled adequately when we purchased, it have been filled with the expanding foam like "Great Stuff", that you buy in an aerosol can at the big box stores, hardware or lumber company. I was told a great tip for easy installation of the expanding foam. Get one of the cheap 36 to 48 inch under sink plastic plumbing supply lines, take off the normal installation tube or if diemensions are correct put it right over the tube and tape real good with electrical tape. You can now reach all those places that are just out of reach of your arms length (like the back wall under the tube) and seal off any openings. Spenat a day doing that last winter and it was well worth it.
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rgolding wrote:I was told a great tip for easy installation of the expanding foam. Get one of the cheap 36 to 48 inch under sink plastic plumbing supply lines, take off the normal installation tube or if diemensions are correct put it right over the tube and tape real good with electrical tape. You can now reach all those places that are just out of reach of your arms length (like the back wall under the tube) and seal off any openings. Spenat a day doing that last winter and it was well worth it.
That is a great tip...thanks for sharing. I have a couple areas I can't quite reach on my unit and this will solve that dilemma.
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Thanks for the Post and tips, Just took delivery of our new 2011 KZ Spree 323rls on Friday afternoon. Went to work filling gaps with Great stuff on Saturday, DW had me checking everywhere for possible entry points. I will check the underside really good when we go back next weekend and look for these holes that you posted pics of.
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That pic of the hole cut for plumbing is brutal! Did they do that with a chainsaw? Our trailer is far from the best, but all plumbing holes are proper size, and sealed with spray foam. The mice sure had easy access to inside your trailer. Good luck getting it all sorted out. The ideas here are great for you on ways to fill the holes in the frame.
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So I set up a bucket trap in the trailer yesterday and checked this morning - no mice caught. So....that means either the mice have no interest or they've moved on.
I looked around for more poop and saw none. I think i'll grab a few snap traps tonight and if nothing by Wedensday i will have to assume they have vacated the premises!
I'm taking the trailer to the dealer this Friday - I will update this thread as this proceeds.
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kzspree220ks wrote:So I set up a bucket trap in the trailer yesterday and checked this morning - no mice caught. So....that means either the mice have no interest or they've moved on.
I looked around for more poop and saw none. I think i'll grab a few snap traps tonight and if nothing by Wedensday i will have to assume they have vacated the premises!
I'm taking the trailer to the dealer this Friday - I will update this thread as this proceeds.
Scott
Not surprising. With my mice problems in the past, I noticed they leave when the weather gets warm and will return in early fall.
I think the spray stuff will handle it for you. Just make sure you keep looking for entry holes. I think I finally got rid of them for good. Last winter, I set 16 snap traps inside our trailer (some baited, some not) and did not see any sign of them.
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