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Hey all you R.V. owners with calipers freezing up. RV's did not have this problem in yrs. past just mostly since 2004 models. NAPA says pistons in calipers were S/S up till then.I never had to change the calipers or hoses on my 2002 Gulfstream- C.and it was parked most of the time. My 1983 GMC p/u, used on my country place mostly since about 1998, and is mostly parked up but for maybe use for a couple miles a yr since then and have never had calipers to freeze up and never replaced the hoses or flushed the system. I just checked and no water in fluid. HMMMM!
RVers, it is time for us all to demand a better quality replacement from the Auto Mftrs. and possibly checking in to a Class Action move!?
No excuse for having to replace calipers and brake lines even when the RV has been parked a while. It is poor parts period and they do this to us so they can see you in their shops, sell parts and probably getting a larger share of the parts sales from the parts mftr. That is a guess only. Mel

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You need to take your complaint to the Big 2 chassis manufacturers and in your case the "Blue Oval". The chassis of an RV is the same one they use for commercial vehicles, don't hear anything about their brake calipers locking up.

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Hey all you R.V. owners with calipers freezing up. RV's did not have this problem in yrs. past just mostly since 2004 models. NAPA says pistons in calipers were S/S up till then.I never had to change the calipers or hoses on my 2002 Gulfstream- C.and it was parked most of the time. My 1983 GMC p/u, used on my country place mostly since about 1998, and is mostly parked up but for maybe use for a couple miles a yr since then and have never had calipers to freeze up and never replaced the hoses or flushed the system. I just checked and no water in fluid. HMMMM!
RVers, it is time for us all to demand a better quality replacement from the Auto Mftrs. and possibly checking in to a Class Action move!?
No excuse for having to replace calipers and brake lines even when the RV has been parked a while. It is poor parts period and they do this to us so they can see you in their shops, sell parts and probably getting a larger share of the parts sales from the parts mftr. That is a guess only. Mel






Hey guy :I don't mean to rain on your parade as you may be right but phenolic pistons have been out there for many many years. I do not know about Motor homes but in other vehicles for a long time.
Caliper pistons have been freezing up for many years also,not just phenolic so no new developments here either..
The chrome coated ones were real bad as they almost rusted in place plus you couldn't clean them up so they would seal on new seals ,throw away hence the phenolics.
Most folks don't realize the acid & water in the brake system after time,that is why a periodic flush & change is indicated but rarely done!! JMHO jb


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That's o.k. Johnb
But why am I and soooo many others having this problem lately and not back a few yrs? WHY are the hoses collapsing? Still doesn't make sense to me. Thank's for replying though johnb.
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Hey 1995 brave.
What is blue oval? Also I've contacted Ford and they insist very few complaints with this problem. I believe I'll just give up and later, if I live long enough, get something with air brakes. ha.
Thanks for your suggestion.

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We had a caliper stick in our year 2002 E450 chassis. I just went to Advance Auto Parts and got rebuilts with "plastic" pistons. OK so far.



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Brake fluid will wick water, out of the air, as it rains, on humid days etc. If there is water around the break fluid will find it and suck it up! One of the biggest maintenance issues that almost no one does is flush your brake fluid every year. The water closes down hoses, rusts brake lines and freezes calipers! Yea it is a pain but in the end you will be better off.

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The bigger issue is MFGs are using higher temp fluids, but those have less water capacity, so they become saturated much sooner, so periodic flushes are necessary. And..... many owners assume DOT4 must be better than DOT3, because 4 is more than 3, right? Well, DOT4 becomes saturated sooner.

The other problem is brake pads last so much longer now, they are outlasting the fluid.


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