Ricatic
Debbie and Savannah the Wonderdachsund
2009 Big Horn 3055RL
2006 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 Dually LTX with the Gold Standard LBZ Engine and Allison Transmission
2011 F350 Lariat SRW CC SB 4WD 6.7 Diesel POS Gone Bye Bye
It's all in the pollution garbage the EPA is forcing on the builders!!!
I removed my EGR and DPF,did a modest 50hp tune and get 19mpg city and 23hwy as long as I keep a light foot.Also the oil does not turn black till over 5000 miles are on it.Oil analysis has me on a 10,000 mile oil change.I am a fulltimer and have had this rig for 5 years with no issue pulling at nearly 15K I average 12-14mpg depending on terrain.That is right there with pre epa trucks.
Retired Navy
2007 Dodge Ram 2500 quad cab 6.7 cummins,6 speed auto,exhaust brake.
2007 Open Road 378SA4S-5,equa-flex and morryde X factor,wet bolt kit,michelin ltx M/S 2 tires
FishOnOne wrote: Another 21 mpg run driving ~70 mph... This '12 makes outstanding fuel economy! This drive I didn't fill up to hand calculate since I'm now convinced the onboard fuel mileage calculator is very accurate.
I could reset the mpg counter while rolling downhill in my 2011 Denali and take a pic just like that.
Troy, like most if us 6.7 Ford owners, has discovered that the fuel computer in these trucks is quite accurate. It would take regular and meticulous fills to the very top of the fuel tank to get better accuracy than the fuel computer calculations. I hand calculated mine for several thousand miles but stopped after comparisons to the fuel computer proved the exercise redundant.
I filled up on Thursday and drove over 100 miles through the countryside. I was in no hurry. At one point, 30 miles into the drive, I was showing 24 mpg. At the end, with some freeway driving rolled into the mix, I was showing 20.8 mpg.
The fuel computer in the Ford combats average baiting such as you suggest. Sampling rates start at a five minute interval and are user definable from there.
The Ford 6.7 trucks, when one disregards the fragile HPFP and Ford's abusive to the customer warranty policies, are very nice trucks. Great power and comfort with good fuel mileage.
GM's and Dodges are very nice as well. Give the GM twins a larger cab or the Dodge DEF emissions control and either can, and one will, sit in my driveway ....
Regards
Well said Rick... These trucks fuel economy performance is very impressive despite the emissions equipment.
BTW I do hope you can find a truck that get's the "Big Drum" going again.
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cabanaman wrote: It's all in the pollution garbage the EPA is forcing on the builders!!!
I removed my EGR and DPF,did a modest 50hp tune and get 19mpg city and 23hwy as long as I keep a light foot.Also the oil does not turn black till over 5000 miles are on it.Oil analysis has me on a 10,000 mile oil change.I am a fulltimer and have had this rig for 5 years with no issue pulling at nearly 15K I average 12-14mpg depending on terrain.That is right there with pre epa trucks.
Owner's of the 6.7 Cummins performing emission deletes is a pretty common theme just to get decent fuel economy performance, but having said that; if RAM does go to DEF setup I doubt the truck will do better than the current 6.7 Cummins with the deletes. Something else will have to change to get to Duramax and Powerstroke fuel economy performance levels!
There are quite a bit of tricks involved in getting fuel economy as good as Duramax and Powerstroke with the CP 4 pump.
All of you may hate the CP 4 pump, but the fact is the higher pressure is necessary to simultaneously get better fuel economy and mileage.
Higher injection pressures, paired with the high tech micro nozzles in the injectors, enable a very fine, mist like spray that exposes a lot of fuel droplet surface area to oxygen in the combustion chamber.
That in turn, enable rapid combustion and reduce particulates (basically partially burnt fuel that have carbonized).
It also enables shorter bursts of injection and less fuel striking the relatively cool cylinder walls / piston top / head.
Lower pressure and slower combustion with the CP3 pump makes for bigger carbon particles.
A bigger problem is, nozzle size equal, a longer injection event to deliver the same volume of fuel in bigger droplets.
That makes it more likely that the fuel will contact the cool cylinder bore, piston top, etc. rather than fully burn.
Every bit of carbon out the tail pipe is money down the drain because it could have been oxidized to produce energy, but instead it is being captured and fuel has to burned to get rid of it.
All things equal, the Cummins have to work harder to get the same cleanness by scrubbing more particles via the DPF, and also handling a bigger volume of unburnt hydrocarbons.
That is why it is a matter of time before Cummins move to the CP4.
They may be just doing it all at once with the DEF update.
Your 2010 is the same as the 11 and 12's as far as emissions so your mileage will be the same as your 10.
2011.5 they went to 350hp/800tq.
As far as mileage Ford and GM get Apples to Apples HONEST HAND CALCULATED MILEAGE less than 1 mpg better than Cummins.
My truck see sig straight highway 17mpg.
2013 Cummins will be using DEF.
With the little difference in mileage stick with the most durable proven engine CUMMINS with a 350,000 mile rated engine, 100,000 more than Ford and GM FACT.
Apples to apples the RAM CUMMINS wil cost thousands less than Ford or GM.
Take a Longhorn for a spin, I did and bought it! Awesome truck.
Keep drinking that kool-aid.
Is that all you can say? Tell me what I said is wrong??????
Cummins, personally I enjoy reading your posts and think you definitely contribute to the forum. And factually you aren't wrong; AFAIK you are correct that Cummins is rated for 350k, more than the competitors, and costs less as well.
My only criticism is that sometimes you take the "fan" thing a bit to the extreme. It's great that you have had awesome luck with your Dodges and particularly love your new one, but you have to allow that some people are just simply going to prefer another brand, for various reasons.
You can love your truck, truly feel it is the best choice out there, without bringing any negativity to the table towards other brands or trying to convince anyone else their choice is wrong.
Just my .02
I thank you for your comments!
I think what I said is factual up to suggesting someone take a Longhorn for a drive. It was a suggestion that if someone is interested in a new truck at least check one out.
I believe the Cummins engine in my 98 is an example of why I bought another Cummins.
If someone wants to buy another brand it is no skin off my nose.
I just think it is amazing when people keep buying the same brand over and over when they have had bad experiences each time.
Thanks again!
I took a Long Horn for a test drive... The one thing that stuck out after walking away was the quality of the leather seats was second to none.
I agree!
I drove with my parents to pick up the 2012 Longhorn they factory ordered. I looked at their truck and was really impressed. The sales guy took us out to look at Laramies with leather, I guess I should have not looked at my parents because the Laramie leather and interior was no comparison to the Longhorn. So we ended up with a truck like my parents.
Wow, I gots to get me some of this stuff that some are drinking in here. I drove a 2012 Longhorn for an entire weekend a couple of weeks ago...loaded out, had everything in it that my 2010 Laramie had in it, 'cept it was an HO Cummins....Only difference I saw in the leather from my 2010 to the 2012 was fancier stitching, Didn't really appeal to the wife and I...guess if were a Cowboy it might have meant more, but as far as being better quality leather, I didn't see it or feel it.....So comparing to the Laramie, I don't get it , nor did I see it or feel any difference..
OTHER THAN THAT: I think the Dodge trucks look better inside and out than the Chevy and the Ford....and my last umteen trucks have been Chevy's....won't go wrong with them for sure...but I really like the Dodge, the Cummins the EB and the towing experience.
Looking at the 2013's, but it'll be a bit before one see's the 2013 3500 CC/Dually's..
OK, I'm done, I just disaagreed that the Leather in a Longhorn is "all that"...to me, no better than what's in my Laramie...cept a little fancier stitching that did nothing for me or the DW
....guess beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but I won't embellish to make a point....
After buying our 2010 GMC I was a little disappointed when I discovered the leather interior that I paid a premium price for was actually vinyl. I know the Laramie is some form of imitation leather as well. Maybe the Longhorn is genuine leather? I'm just guessing as I have never seen one.
I stated the interior and leather were no comparison to the longhorn. Fact the leather is a much higher grade in the longhorn and the interior is fancier also, that is why it is an upgrade. I liked the longhorn better! My choice and MY OPINION!
2011 Ram Laramie Longhorn 3500 Dually Long Bed, Cummins 350/800 HO, Towin Machine
B&W Companion Hitch, Maghytec Trans and Rear Dif Covers, AMZ/OIL Top To Bottom
2007 1/2 Mobile Suites 36 SB3 27,000# Combined
NC Hauler wrote: ...Don't know, I picked up the 2012 loaded out longhorn on a Friday and kept it until Monday morning, (they REALLY wanted me to buy it)....to each his own, but I thought the looks of the Longhorn bordered on the gaudy side with the saddlebag type stitching and the wife didn't like it from the get go...but again, that's just "our" opinion...I saw no difference in look or feel or even smell for that matter, but, who knows, I'm not known for having any smarts, so maybe what I got ain't leather...works for me, seats are air cooled just like the Longhorn and as far as options, it didn't have any I didn't have, cept' the Garmin for a Nav instead of whatever it is in mine, but they both work so don't give a flying flip....before you know it, they'll be making the interior so gaudy or shall we say, "plush", one might be afraid to sit on it...sorta like the trucks being so "purdy", one doesn't want to take them off road...sure isn't like it was back in the 60's and 70's with trucks...now a day's the trucks rival the Caddy's and Lincolns of the 60's and 70's era for "swankiness/plushness"...for want of a better word...Can remember when a plain old 4 wheel drive, vinyl upholstery, stick shift with no frills made me giddy, now, it's rare anyone wants a "barebones' pick em up...
Having owned a pile of loaded to the gills Chevy's, I still think the Dodge is a better looking truck inside and out....but I'd still own a Chevy in a heartbeat...good trucks...the Dodge had more to offer, (other than the Ally), and was cheaper, thus the reason I "jumped ship"...I am not brand loyal....best "bang for the buck" get's my money and sorry to say, Ford wasn't in the running...didn't want my business, though I tried...(still like the Dodge best)..
OK, I'm done...
I would have never bought this truck in years past. It will never see a load of construction materials or be out in a field pulling put fence posts. That is what my 98 Cummins is for and why I still have it.
The new ride is over the top! May be gaudy to some but WE love it, it is the nicest highest quality ride I have seen. Expensive, hell yes but much less apple to apples compared to Ford and GM. I plan on having it for years like all my other diesel trucks.
This truck was bought for pulling the Mobile suites amd does a fine job and when we go out on the town we take the "LIMO" as we fondly call it.
The one thing I would not get again if asked would be the flip down tv in the back.
NewsW wrote: There are quite a bit of tricks involved in getting fuel economy as good as Duramax and Powerstroke with the CP 4 pump.
All of you may hate the CP 4 pump, but the fact is the higher pressure is necessary to simultaneously get better fuel economy and mileage.
Higher injection pressures, paired with the high tech micro nozzles in the injectors, enable a very fine, mist like spray that exposes a lot of fuel droplet surface area to oxygen in the combustion chamber.
That in turn, enable rapid combustion and reduce particulates (basically partially burnt fuel that have carbonized).
It also enables shorter bursts of injection and less fuel striking the relatively cool cylinder walls / piston top / head.
Lower pressure and slower combustion with the CP3 pump makes for bigger carbon particles.
A bigger problem is, nozzle size equal, a longer injection event to deliver the same volume of fuel in bigger droplets.
That makes it more likely that the fuel will contact the cool cylinder bore, piston top, etc. rather than fully burn.
Every bit of carbon out the tail pipe is money down the drain because it could have been oxidized to produce energy, but instead it is being captured and fuel has to burned to get rid of it.
All things equal, the Cummins have to work harder to get the same cleanness by scrubbing more particles via the DPF, and also handling a bigger volume of unburnt hydrocarbons.
That is why it is a matter of time before Cummins move to the CP4.
They may be just doing it all at once with the DEF update.
BINGO.... Plus Ford's piston design produces 50% less soot which equates to less regens as well. This also promotes improved fuel economy.
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edited 06/30/12 05:16pm by FishOnOne *
cabanaman wrote: It's all in the pollution garbage the EPA is forcing on the builders!!!
I removed my EGR and DPF,did a modest 50hp tune and get 19mpg city and 23hwy as long as I keep a light foot.Also the oil does not turn black till over 5000 miles are on it.Oil analysis has me on a 10,000 mile oil change.I am a fulltimer and have had this rig for 5 years with no issue pulling at nearly 15K I average 12-14mpg depending on terrain.That is right there with pre epa trucks.
Owner's of the 6.7 Cummins performing emission deletes is a pretty common theme just to get decent fuel economy performance, but having said that; if RAM does go to DEF setup I doubt the truck will do better than the current 6.7 Cummins with the deletes. Something else will have to change to get to Duramax and Powerstroke fuel economy performance levels!
Not just for mpg's!!! it keeps the egr from cycling soot back into the motor and turbo.I do agree the def ram should do well.
NewsW wrote: There are quite a bit of tricks involved in getting fuel economy as good as Duramax and Powerstroke with the CP 4 pump.
All of you may hate the CP 4 pump, but the fact is the higher pressure is necessary to simultaneously get better fuel economy and mileage.
Higher injection pressures, paired with the high tech micro nozzles in the injectors, enable a very fine, mist like spray that exposes a lot of fuel droplet surface area to oxygen in the combustion chamber.
That in turn, enable rapid combustion and reduce particulates (basically partially burnt fuel that have carbonized).
It also enables shorter bursts of injection and less fuel striking the relatively cool cylinder walls / piston top / head.
Lower pressure and slower combustion with the CP3 pump makes for bigger carbon particles.
A bigger problem is, nozzle size equal, a longer injection event to deliver the same volume of fuel in bigger droplets.
That makes it more likely that the fuel will contact the cool cylinder bore, piston top, etc. rather than fully burn.
Every bit of carbon out the tail pipe is money down the drain because it could have been oxidized to produce energy, but instead it is being captured and fuel has to burned to get rid of it.
All things equal, the Cummins have to work harder to get the same cleanness by scrubbing more particles via the DPF, and also handling a bigger volume of unburnt hydrocarbons.
That is why it is a matter of time before Cummins move to the CP4.
They may be just doing it all at once with the DEF update.
BINGO.... Plus Ford's piston design produces 50% less soot which equates to less regens as well. This also promotes improved fuel economy.
Great more Ammo to copy and paste for future reference
Don't ask whatshisname about that back when the drum broke
IMO Ram should have gone with DEF by now just like they do in the CC's and the Ford 650 up.
Surely a half mile increase in MPG would put them right in line with the bowtie's and a half mpg lower than the Ford's.
And that's without the trusted CP4. Oh yeah a actual link to tested mileage reports at over 2k miles.
Always room for improvement in one camp, ignorance is bliss in the other.
Don't get me wrong,20 plus MPG empty is a great achievement guys. Been enjoying it for almost 7 years now.
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