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Posted: 06/29/12 11:58am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

First time TT owner.

I was hoping the Yamaha will have enough juice, but it revs up for about 10-15seconds, than overloads. I've read about the capacitors before, and would like to get some help on which to get and what stores carry it (would like to install to fight the current heat wave).

I've had trouble identifying which AC model the Camper has, but I believe it to be a 13500BTU Coleman based on part # 8330B6332, which I saw when I took off the internal cover.
http://www.rvcomfort.com/pdf_documents/r480_copy3.pdf. I also saw a model# 8333E8564.. which some googling pointed to a Coleman Mach III model.

Note, the generator is an earlier Yamaha model, not EF2400iSHC.


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Any disadvantage of going "bigger"? Ordered with overnight delivery from amazon.

Supco SPP8E E Series Electronic Potential Relay style Hard Start Kit, Greater than 1 Horsepower Range, 189-227F Capacitor Size

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Encouraging news..

http://www.rv.net/forum/Index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/24437713/gotomsg/25301922.cfm

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Don't get the 8E, go with the 6E.


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I read somewhere that bigger isn't worse, but isn't better either..
Is bigger just going to soak up energy I won't need, and hence "charge" longer?

http://www.fixya.com/support/t2517987-not_cool_capacitor
The start capacitor is located in the upper unit of the AC. Remove the shroud and there is an access panel on the driver side of the unit. Remove the panel to access the three capacitors. The start capacitor is the one that has the small relay attached to the top.

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I don't know anything so I contacted Supco and we exchanged emails. Here is the text of two emails I received from Jim Berry at Supco....

The 4E will not work on 120 volt applications, the circuit will drop below the operational voltage of the potential relay.
You want and need the time/power curve of the ptc relay in this application.
This power curve gives the generator set more ramp up time.
The PTC control can also handle the brownout voltage that the relay will see from the generator, the “E” series will not.
So there is not any confusion, the “E” series it will not work on 120 volts, none of them.

Use the SPP6 (no “E” suffix), the SPP6E is not designed to work on 120 Volt systems.
Also on a 13.5K BTU system use at minimum a 3000 watt generator set. Anything less will burn out either the generator or the compressor after about a season.

There's alot of confusion on this and Chris usually seems to know his stuff. If He thinks the 6E is ok I would trust his judgement.

* This post was edited 06/29/12 05:14pm by bob213 *

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researched on this forum.. mixed results
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/25218743/gotomsg/25218786.cfm
http://www.rv.net/forum/index.cfm/fuseaction/thread/tid/22790434/gotomsg/22793652.cfm

many reviews on amazon mention the e-series in campers. One of the threads above says SSP6 is just an older version of SSP6E.

specs of site.
http://www.supco.com/images/pdfs/AC%20Hardstarts%20Booklet.pdf
these specs talk of of 110V being in operating range.
http://www.supco.com/eclass.htm

I couldn't get SSP6 via amazon to be delivered next day. I will try SSP6E and report my findings here. and will check with the local RV shop if they have the non-e series version, however Camping World doesn't seem to carry it.

I generally understand a concept of a capacitor, but the rest of the tech talk is a bit beyond me...

Is there a local place anyone recommends to get advice, or even installation? Northen VA, or Eastern Western WV (Winchester, VA/Martinsburg, WV area)

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well.. dang.. amazon sent an apology that they didn't ship on time.
called a few places and one had a hard start kit for 25$ from MGM Industries.
Don't have much of a choice.. will give that a shot before amazon arrives.

Edit: Not sure where they got "MGM Industries" from. The maker is "Airexcel" (see more info in the thread below)

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NetComrade wrote:

First time TT owner.

I was hoping the Yamaha will have enough juice, but it revs up for about 10-15seconds, than overloads. I've read about the capacitors before, and would like to get some help on which to get and what stores carry it (would like to install to fight the current heat wave).

I've had trouble identifying which AC model the Camper has, but I believe it to be a 13500BTU Coleman based on part # 8330B6332, which I saw when I took off the internal cover.
http://www.rvcomfort.com/pdf_documents/r480_copy3.pdf. I also saw a model# 8333E8564.. which some googling pointed to a Coleman Mach III model.

Note, the generator is an earlier Yamaha model, not EF2400iSHC.


Good luck, have you checked with a meter to see how much current you're pulling, and what your voltage drop is when you try to start the AC? If the generator hangs in there for 15 seconds, a starter capacitor might not help. More often than not if it's just the starting load the generator trip off fairly quickly.

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