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Most likely my bad but what does the B20 mean on the badge?
morebadnews wrote: Beware of the CP4!
Sooner or later, it will be on the Dodge Cummins too.
Do the F650 and up Cummins use them also?
My point is Cummins has always relied on reliability not performance like the PSD. When Cummins deems the CP.4 reliable someday, your right. As of now it's a warranty disaster waiting to happen.
Stayed tuned cause these insurance companies are no dummies
Quote: Do the F650 and up Cummins use them also?
My point is Cummins has always relied on reliability not performance like the PSD. When Cummins deems the CP.4 reliable someday, your right. As of now it's a warranty disaster waiting to happen.
Stayed tuned cause these insurance companies are no dummies
You hit the bullseye dead in the center with this post!
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SoCalDesertRider wrote: Rick's story is, partly, why, if I were buying a new diesel class 2-5 truck today, or any time in the near future, it would NOT be a 6.7 Ford. It would be a Dodge Cummins cab/chassis truck.
I would gladly buy a new F250/350 with the 6.2 gas V8 though, if that's what I was looking for. But no, I don't need another gas engine 1-ton pickup, I'll keep the Fords I already have.
If a person was to buy a new Dodge he would very likely spend about $5000 more for fuel over the years he owns the truck versus buying a Ford. At least with the Ford he would have a 99% chance that he will never have a pump problem. If he has a problem with the pump there is a pretty good chance that Ford will look after him under warranty. In the unlikely event that he has a problem with the pump and Ford tells him to go pound sand, there is still a chance that his insurance will look after him. So paying 5 grand extra on fuel because he is worried about a 1 in a thousand chance of having a $10,000 fuel pump problem doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I wonder if there is an insurance policy that a person could negotiate into a truck deal that would cover problems that Ford won't?
While I agree that the risk of a HPFP failure is not large, your assertion that there is a good chance that Ford will fix the HPFP for almost everyone under warranty does not square with the reality we are experiencing.
Unless you have experienced the system, you are clueless about the way the fuel system failure is handled. I have not only my personal experience in this arena. I have had several conversations with other unfortunate owners of 6.7 Ford's that experienced this situation. To a man, they were all treated as the cause of the failure from the beginning. Even the one lucky owner who did receive warranty reimbursement after a prolonged fight was amazed at the depth of the poor treatment he was given.
In my case, the blame can be directed at two entities. Yes, the crooked dealership that planted the water in the system should be ashamed of themselves...but as eloquently explained earlier, FOMOCO had more than one opportunity to salvage the situation. They declined, rather rudely as well. It is my hope that no one else has to endure such deplorable customer service or rude and unappreciative behavior from the FOMOCO customer service people...but I am not too confident that Ford has begun to care about customers...
Shame on Ford
Regards
Ricatic
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ricatic wrote: FOMOCO had more than one opportunity to salvage the situation.
Enough is now known in the public domain about the failure, including the indisputable evidence of multiple redesigns of the pump --- including the latest iteration with a completely different DLC coating.
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Most likely my bad but what does the B20 mean on the badge?
morebadnews wrote: Beware of the CP4!
Sooner or later, it will be on the Dodge Cummins too.
Do the F650 and up Cummins use them also?
My point is Cummins has always relied on reliability not performance like the PSD. When Cummins deems the CP.4 reliable someday, your right. As of now it's a warranty disaster waiting to happen.
Stayed tuned cause these insurance companies are no dummies
Your preaching to the choir... Thats the 6.7 cummins choir thats singing a different tune! A tune of head gasket failures, Soot clogging turbos and DPF's, Deleters Remorse (lost warrenty), tranny problems, to name a few!
Looks like I've created quite the heated conversation. As I said earlier, everyone has their opinions which left me confused and afraid of purchasing ANYTHING. No matter where I turned, there is some big problem that I should be afraid of. At one point, I felt like I should just sell the camper and not even walk down this road. But my family and I love taking the new TT places, so with that said we purchased the 2011 F250.
I'm still scared out of my mind that I will have $10K problem, but I needed to make a decision. I found in the owners manual the previous owner with phone numbers and address. I will call him to see if he would be willing to transfer the extended warranty and ask questions. I have 5 days to return the vehicle, so if I get anything that leads me to believe I need to run. I will.
I have to tell all of you -- this vehicle had to have been garage kept. The truck bed shows no visible signs of use. When I opened the doors, the hinges and other small hard to get areas were absolutely spot clean. When looking at the other vehicles on Carmax's lot even on the show room, I did not find this. Underneath, it is absolutely crystal clean. It looks like a brand new vehicle. The owner even wrote in the scheduled maintenance when he took it in. The originial sticker is also in the manual. I honestly believe something drastic had to happen like health/financial for the owner to sell it as he did. Clearly purchasing the 7yr/100K mile extended warranty and paying as much as he did, the dude was planning on keeping this truck for a long time.
As much as I kept in mind everything that was written here, I stood there looking at this vehicle that appeared spotless and thought that for the price/low mileage/etc that I would absolutely regret walking away. I didn't believe I would find one in as good condition as this one.
I did refuse the Carmax extended warranty and will probably extend the Ford warranty unless someone has some opinion on that.
In conclusion, this is my very first Ford product ever. Ford cars have never appealed to me. But when the need arose for a truck, it was the most appealing out of the three. If it is not a good experience, we will go to our grave never purchasing another Ford product again. And will stand up and join the side of "down with Ford".
Thank you for taking the time to share all of your wisdom. I'm sure I'll need more guidance in a very short time.
c3saving wrote: Looks like I've created quite the heated conversation. As I said earlier, everyone has their opinions which left me confused and afraid of purchasing ANYTHING. No matter where I turned, there is some big problem that I should be afraid of. At one point, I felt like I should just sell the camper and not even walk down this road. But my family and I love taking the new TT places, so with that said we purchased the 2011 F250.
I'm still scared out of my mind that I will have $10K problem, but I needed to make a decision. I found in the owners manual the previous owner with phone numbers and address. I will call him to see if he would be willing to transfer the extended warranty and ask questions. I have 5 days to return the vehicle, so if I get anything that leads me to believe I need to run. I will.
I have to tell all of you -- this vehicle had to have been garage kept. The truck bed shows no visible signs of use. When I opened the doors, the hinges and other small hard to get areas were absolutely spot clean. When looking at the other vehicles on Carmax's lot even on the show room, I did not find this. Underneath, it is absolutely crystal clean. It looks like a brand new vehicle. The owner even wrote in the scheduled maintenance when he took it in. The originial sticker is also in the manual. I honestly believe something drastic had to happen like health/financial for the owner to sell it as he did. Clearly purchasing the 7yr/100K mile extended warranty and paying as much as he did, the dude was planning on keeping this truck for a long time.
As much as I kept in mind everything that was written here, I stood there looking at this vehicle that appeared spotless and thought that for the price/low mileage/etc that I would absolutely regret walking away. I didn't believe I would find one in as good condition as this one.
I did refuse the Carmax extended warranty and will probably extend the Ford warranty unless someone has some opinion on that.
In conclusion, this is my very first Ford product ever. Ford cars have never appealed to me. But when the need arose for a truck, it was the most appealing out of the three. If it is not a good experience, we will go to our grave never purchasing another Ford product again. And will stand up and join the side of "down with Ford".
Thank you for taking the time to share all of your wisdom. I'm sure I'll need more guidance in a very short time.
You will be fine.
Do get the top of the line Ford warranty.
Do get Comprehensive Insurance with a low deductible.
c3saving wrote: Looks like I've created quite the heated conversation. As I said earlier, everyone has their opinions which left me confused and afraid of purchasing ANYTHING. No matter where I turned, there is some big problem that I should be afraid of. At one point, I felt like I should just sell the camper and not even walk down this road. But my family and I love taking the new TT places, so with that said we purchased the 2011 F250.
I'm still scared out of my mind that I will have $10K problem, but I needed to make a decision. I found in the owners manual the previous owner with phone numbers and address. I will call him to see if he would be willing to transfer the extended warranty and ask questions. I have 5 days to return the vehicle, so if I get anything that leads me to believe I need to run. I will.
I have to tell all of you -- this vehicle had to have been garage kept. The truck bed shows no visible signs of use. When I opened the doors, the hinges and other small hard to get areas were absolutely spot clean. When looking at the other vehicles on Carmax's lot even on the show room, I did not find this. Underneath, it is absolutely crystal clean. It looks like a brand new vehicle. The owner even wrote in the scheduled maintenance when he took it in. The originial sticker is also in the manual. I honestly believe something drastic had to happen like health/financial for the owner to sell it as he did. Clearly purchasing the 7yr/100K mile extended warranty and paying as much as he did, the dude was planning on keeping this truck for a long time.
As much as I kept in mind everything that was written here, I stood there looking at this vehicle that appeared spotless and thought that for the price/low mileage/etc that I would absolutely regret walking away. I didn't believe I would find one in as good condition as this one.
I did refuse the Carmax extended warranty and will probably extend the Ford warranty unless someone has some opinion on that.
In conclusion, this is my very first Ford product ever. Ford cars have never appealed to me. But when the need arose for a truck, it was the most appealing out of the three. If it is not a good experience, we will go to our grave never purchasing another Ford product again. And will stand up and join the side of "down with Ford".
Thank you for taking the time to share all of your wisdom. I'm sure I'll need more guidance in a very short time.
Congratulations on the new to you truck...it will make you smile every time you drive it. I still enjoy driving my truck after all the trouble I had with FOMOCO.
Do yourself a big favor and visit your Ford dealr to purchase the PM22A fuel additive. It will go a long way to help lubricate the somewhat fragile HPFP. There are now Ford dealers giving a case to new truck purchasers. Some here think it is snake oil...but it can not hurt. Regular and documented use of PM22A is another tool to use if you do have a HPFP failure.
To Richchet...yep...there is a badge on the truck that says B20. That does not stop Ford from asking if you ever used biodiesel. It is often the very first question. Not too confidence inspiring...
Congratulations on the new to you truck...it will make you smile every time you drive it. I still enjoy driving my truck after all the trouble I had with FOMOCO.
Do yourself a big favor and visit your Ford dealr to purchase the PM22A fuel additive. It will go a long way to help lubricate the somewhat fragile HPFP. There are now Ford dealers giving a case to new truck purchasers. Some here think it is snake oil...but it can not hurt. Regular and documented use of PM22A is another tool to use if you do have a HPFP failure.
Yup, recommended Motorcraft product. Do not buy off brands, substitutes, or other claimed work-a-likes. Keep receipts and document usage. DO NOT OVERDOSE. Use only as directed on bottle.
To Richchet...yep...there is a badge on the truck that says B20. That does not stop Ford from asking if you ever used biodiesel. It is often the very first question. Not too confidence inspiring...
Regards
Bileweasle is one of those things like ethanol that have plenty of nuts promoting it, made from cheap junk ingredients like old french fry oil.
Said nits have the ear of politicians, who with EPA, fall over themselves to get the stuff heavily subsidized and then foisted on the unsuspecting public by law.
The stuff is, politely put, "in its early phases" of experimentation, not much different from hydrogen fuel cells.
Auto OEMs are under intense pressure to say their vehicle "can" use it, so they put that little sticker there and pray that few customers take them up on this junk.
The reality is we know very little about laboratory grade biodiesel, let alone what is actually being flogged out there at retail.
Imagine hundreds of thousands of "home brew" shops all making the stuff, each with hardly any quality control, or know much about the underlying process control or chemistry.
How many of these makers you know.... have access to labs to test EVERY BATCH? Not many, by my count.
So the stuff gets tossed into the fuel supply, and suckers who want to be "green" lap it up.
That is why whenever a warranty issue is involved.. that is the first question asked.
It immediately generates an "exception" handling in the warranty process, and gets your fuel sampled and kept as evidence.
This is aided and abetted by the many diesel owners who seem to see no problems running B100 (because it is sold openly), or B(bubba grade) made by Uncle Tom next door, who swears by it just like they love the moonshine he makes.
We are gonna wake up one day, and realize what a con biodiesel is, and relegate it to the same invention as fuel saving magnets.
But in the mean time... it doesn't stop people like this one below, who, you will notice... have a tuned truck running on mineral oil, and is screaming at the Dealer for denying them warranty coverage:
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