skipnchar wrote: People sometimes get upset that "they're spoiling their fun" by banning alcohol use in campgrounds but here is yet another good reason for doing so. My sympathy goes out to the family of the victims.
The guy already broke a half-dozen laws. You think a "ban" would have any effect? Your ban would only punish those who abide by the laws and rules in the first place.
Unfortunately people like this never change, because people seldom change in general. A high school friend developed into one of those repeat offenders in terms of reckless driving, DUI, driving with a suspended license, etc.. This was when we were all still in our early twenties.
One day, decades later, I decided to Google the names of some of the "kids" I grew up with just to see what would pop up. Son of a gun, his mug shot came up as having been arrested in Oakland County MI for, you guessed it, DUI. He was 56 at the time of the arrest. So apparently little changed in the past 35 years. I don't believe he ever hurt anyone, but certainly he is a prime example of a person who never learned to drink responsibly. Today he would be either 68 or 69 years old. My guess is that he still drinks and drives.
mowermech wrote: I would say a charge of "manslaughter" is entirely justified!
Any vehicle is a "deadly weapon". Control it or pay the price!
I would go farther, and say the charge of manslaughter is way to lite. It should be premeditated Murder in the first degree. Carrying the death sentence. Or at the very least. Life without parole, in solitary confinement, with the boys pictures on the wall.
IMOP. ANY drunk driver, Should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. And that is even if he doesn't hit anything. He assaulted every driver on the road. And any so called Judge that lets them off. Should be charged with accessory at the next arrest. the drunk driving laws in this country are a joke. It's pathetic.
mowermech wrote: I would say a charge of "manslaughter" is entirely justified!
Any vehicle is a "deadly weapon". Control it or pay the price!
I would go farther, and say the charge of manslaughter is way to lite. It should be premeditated Murder in the first degree. Carrying the death sentence. Or at the very least. Life without parole, in solitary confinement, with the boys pictures on the wall.
IMOP. ANY drunk driver, Should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. And that is even if he doesn't hit anything. He assaulted every driver on the road. And any so called Judge that lets them off. Should be charged with accessory at the next arrest. the drunk driving laws in this country are a joke. It's pathetic.
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These 2 posts kind of bother me. We are a nation of laws duly enacted by our elected representatives. That's what makes our nation great. If you really believe that the punishment for a given crime should be increased (or decreased) your civic duty is to petition your representative.
What you are espousing is: "Get out the pitch forks and touches. We'll take care of this ourselves." Is that really the way you want your country to be?
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Oh, that was kind of a rant, wasn't it. (Stepping down off soapbox now.)
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mowermech wrote: I would say a charge of "manslaughter" is entirely justified!
Any vehicle is a "deadly weapon". Control it or pay the price!
I would go farther, and say the charge of manslaughter is way to lite. It should be premeditated Murder in the first degree. Carrying the death sentence. Or at the very least. Life without parole, in solitary confinement, with the boys pictures on the wall.
IMOP. ANY drunk driver, Should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. And that is even if he doesn't hit anything. He assaulted every driver on the road. And any so called Judge that lets them off. Should be charged with accessory at the next arrest. the drunk driving laws in this country are a joke. It's pathetic.
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These 2 posts kind of bother me. We are a nation of laws duly enacted by our elected representatives. That's what makes our nation great. If you really believe that the punishment for a given crime should be increased (or decreased) your civic duty is to petition your representative.
What you are espousing is: "Get out the pitch forks and touches. We'll take care of this ourselves." Is that really the way you want your country to be?
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Oh, that was kind of a rant, wasn't it. (Stepping down off soapbox now.)
Sounds like the way texas runs things! The way it should be!
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These 2 posts kind of bother me. We are a nation of laws duly enacted by our elected representatives. That's what makes our nation great. If you really believe that the punishment for a given crime should be increased (or decreased) your civic duty is to petition your representative.
What you are espousing is: "Get out the pitch forks and touches. We'll take care of this ourselves." Is that really the way you want your country to be?
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Oh, that was kind of a rant, wasn't it. (Stepping down off soapbox now.)
Well it was a rant, and only slightly off (I'll skip the multi-level back quote) I do note the poster said CHARGED, not LYNCHED so no, no pitchforks or baseball bats or torches.
This is a mixed post: on behalf of the judges.. Many times the judge has little choice, He has a boss, who has a boss, and then there is prison overcrowding and jail overcrowding to consider. So all he can do is mandate a hefty fine, alcohol rehab and awareness training and such, The state often suspends or revokes the license but hey "I don't need no steenkin' license to drive" is the mentality of some of these folks.
I believe I posted the story of one multi-time offender, Revoked, Ordered by a judge to not drive, On parole (Felony drunk driving) and still.. He killed one and put the other in the hospital.
Now he got justice, 20-life, but that is one.. Just one, only case I know about where it was done right.
Nothin adds excitment like something that is none of your business
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There is an old adage in industry that for every injury accident on the job that actually happens, there are 99 other incidents that happen that could have resulted in an injury, but somehow nothing bad occurred.
I don't know where the numbers from, but the logic has a certain common sense appeal to me.
Based on that, I'll give odds that this person is a DUI repeat offender. It's just that the other 99 times he drank and drove, no one got injured.
mowermech wrote: I would say a charge of "manslaughter" is entirely justified!
Any vehicle is a "deadly weapon". Control it or pay the price!
I would go farther, and say the charge of manslaughter is way to lite. It should be premeditated Murder in the first degree. Carrying the death sentence. Or at the very least. Life without parole, in solitary confinement, with the boys pictures on the wall.
IMOP. ANY drunk driver, Should be charged with assault with a deadly weapon with intent to kill. And that is even if he doesn't hit anything. He assaulted every driver on the road. And any so called Judge that lets them off. Should be charged with accessory at the next arrest. the drunk driving laws in this country are a joke. It's pathetic.
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These 2 posts kind of bother me. We are a nation of laws duly enacted by our elected representatives. That's what makes our nation great. If you really believe that the punishment for a given crime should be increased (or decreased) your civic duty is to petition your representative.
What you are espousing is: "Get out the pitch forks and touches. We'll take care of this ourselves." Is that really the way you want your country to be?
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Oh, that was kind of a rant, wasn't it. (Stepping down off soapbox now.)
Why does it bother you? After all. I didn't say take him out and shoot him, with no trial. I said and I maintain the charge was not harsh enough, nor was the penalty. It SHOULD be murder one. I fully believe it should. As I said. DUI laws and punishment in this country is a joke. With enough money, and a slick lawyer. You can walk with no penalty period. It should nopt be that way. IF you blow over the limit. Jail NOW.
Terry, what bothers me was that what you proposed goes beyond what the statute prescribes for punishment and suggested harsher charges without (I think) personal knowledge of the circumstances. I think the charging officer and the local DA would know better what to charge.
When anyone suggests going beyond the statute for charges and punishment, especially without direct knowledge of the facts, the picture that comes to my mind is the local villagers with pitch forks and torches. You are, of course, entitled to your opinion. It just makes me uncomfortable.
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