Well it's like this for me you guys... I've found some nice little secret spots in my travels and share them with by PM if they happen to be heading that way.
Selfishness does not enter into it. It is more that I'm concerned not wanting it turned into a garbage dump.
Well said. Sums it up perfectly.
I think many forget or are not aware of just 'how public this forum is'. Any and ALL other websites can take posts from here, link to here, and use them on the internet. It's infinitesimal where all the info posted goes. Our posts including the profile name even show up on a google search if one of the words/phrases searched for matches a forum post. Just something to think about.
"We must be willing to get rid of the life we've planned,
so as to have the life that is waiting for us".
The value of a person is in what he gives,not what he receives...( Albert Einstein)
Don't mind giving up a fishing hole to a young kid it's better to see him on the streams than on the streets. The more people Fishing,Hunting,and CAMPING the stronger the voices will be the preserve these out of the way places.
When young, I was taught to contribute more than I take. I continue follow this advice in all aspects of my life and find it rewarding. It does anger me to see people hoard or take advantage of others' generosity...
Can you use any poorer of an analogy to try to make your point.
We share information on this forum. That is where the line is drawn. Except for super secret campsites and then the selfish move the line a bit to justify not sharing information.
Sharing information to the broad audiance of the internet is not always a good thing. Say for example, I find(and have found) a quirk in the system a music venue box office uses to sell tickets to events. Im garuenteed fine seats for any show I wish to attend. If I broadcast his secret then I loose my edge, no more great seats for me and my family. All I've managed to accomplish is destroying the conditions that made my life a little better by bringing everyone into the game. This is the fear of sharing "secret " spots on the net. Everyone finds out and desends on the spot en masse and its not secret , what made it special in the first place has gone, trampled under the feet of the internet zombies.
Here might be a better analogy, next time you have a family event , gradation party for example, in your back yard, issue an open invite on the internet. After your lawn wears away and toilets backup, rethink the advantages of sharing everything with strangers on the net.
Many of us have TCs to get away from it all, why try to bring it all with you?
Aren't you the same guy that gets his skivvies twisted every time Whazzoo posts a trip report? I remember he was from NY.
Anyway, WOW, I thought the folks over on the survival boards were paranoid!!!!!
I take pleasure in posting my spots. But unless you are Whazoo, Jefe, Curly, et al or like to tent camp from a Jeep you ain't gonna make it!!!!
The places we share on our website are 100% National/State/County designated camping areas. Spots we don't share are publicly (BLM) or privately (via permission access) found spots.
That policy only makes sense. I mean, what are the odds that someone is going to find a remote distributed campsite from my directions, anyway??? Sure, a lot of people, here, tend to be closed-mouthed about our "special" places - - we all know that. But if the place is merely remote but otherwise an organized campground listed on a map, what do we have to gain by trying to obscure it at the end of the day? The presumption is that few RVers are going to be able to get in there and the few truck campers that _can_ are not going to have much impact on my enjoyment of it.
If an obvious boondock spot has any frequency of use, I don't think pointing out the general area is going to make it get overrun. I'm fond of saying that, "boondock spots are where you find them". Even then, one always has to realize that camping-accessible areas are always in a state of flux. It is incumbant upon the person doing the camping to make sure the area is currently "legal" for camping and that they understand the current rules for access. It is never right to "create" new boondocking spots so the implication is that many have already "nested" there before. If not, we are probably doing something wrong. So, if I point out that the best boondocking is "halfway down Valley of the Gods Road", it seems to me I'm doing us all a favor - - not making it more or less likely that some imaginary criminal element is going to latch onto that information.
I kid around, sometimes, about having to 'dispose' of anyone after I tell them where such and such a site is that we have talked about, but in truth, I really can't think of anyplace that I would hesitate to disclose if someone asked me on this website. The only caveat being that boondock sites can be notoriously difficult for someone find when trying to follow in your footsteps. I would probably also offer the locations of nearby established campgrounds - - commerical or otherwise since that is probably the better alternative for most people and for the environment, too. But the last of my worries is that disclosing a spot, here, is going to lead to criminals and 'ner-do-wells' using it as a 'hole-in-the-wall'. Criminals are just too lazy to follow the RV.net in the hopes of ambushing some poor truck camper. If you do get ambushed, it is most likely because the 'bad guys' got there long before you did.
(...Keeping site #63 at the KOA in Billings Montana a deep-dark-secret - - criminals approach at your own risk!)
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Aren't you the same guy that gets his skivvies twisted every time Whazzoo posts a trip report? I remember he was from NY."
"Anyway, WOW, I thought the folks over on the survival boards were paranoid!!!!!"
I honestly dont remember ever having my skivvies twisted, Im not even sure what that means.
I dont see any paranoia here, I mean do you? Think anyones looking, I thought I saw , wait is that a shadow moving..........
Perhaps its coming from a more populated area that makes one enjoy a little alone time, and be protective of it. We really are up each others **** in the northeast and some of our nieghbors are quite obnoxious , you wouldnt want them next to you either.
I enjoy any trip report from out west , especially with good pictures. Till I get the chance to see for myself its as close as I've gotten. The farthest west I've been is Devils Tower, and in addition to the scenery there and on the way , I was amazed at the quietness and lack of crowds. A favorite picture from the trip was a gas station we stopped at ,surrounded on all sides by corn fields. Nothing for miles but a road, corn and plopped in the middle, an Exxon station. I had a cross country trip schedualed for early June that was to be 6-8 weeks. But work is totally off kilter and schedual due to the economy. Maybe next year.
Till then I will be returning to the concrete reenforced bomb shelter (radiation shielded) and monitor the net for exposed secrets.
I consider my special places as...my special places, and I don't share them with anyone but those that I love and would not mind sharing the spot with. After all, this rock is over-populated already and some (Me) are looking for someplace to get away from the populace. I hope you all understand for my not sharing, since many of those looking for solitude ( a special place ) do not know how to appreciate or share it. Call me anti-social or whatever, but other people can be really disenchanting and ruin an otherwise good experience. But that's just me.
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