netaq wrote: What you found on line is accurate. Based on your description of the truck I also found that its got 9000# GVWR & 20000# GCVWR. There's no reason that this truck would not handle that trailer really nicely.
Missing the legend (AKA fine print) that modifies these ratings.
Betcha that truck will weigh way more than the 'curb' listed...aka stripper
This one is not a stripper, as it has a diesel (heavy one at that) and
quad cab, and suspect it will also have AC/etc
This is how the ratings vs actual weights play in concert. Best to use
their GVWR's to figure if you don't have their actual weights. That will
provide some level of margin...risk is that you might go over their
GVWR's when you load them up with people/cargo/etc/etc
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Kooky Luke wrote: I have a keystone cougar 29bhs with a dry weight of 6400lbs. I tow with a 2000 model 1500 Suburban 3.73 axle. It tows great but a little concerned about future over Cascade mtns trips in future. SO, I am considering a 2500 burb. Have 4 kids. Any advice? ie. motor size, where to buy. Would like used one between 03-07
Get the 8.1L engine and 4.10 gears. Drinks a lot, but is a towing beast.
The GCWR is 20k, and you will find an uncountable amount of people that are grossing over 20k. The G56 6spd is a good trans, but the Cummins buffs prefer the NV5600 over the G56, but you will have to get an older Dodge to get the NV trans. Don't get me wrong though, the G56 is stout. The 3.73 gears are plenty low, and the manual trans has a lower OD than the automatic, so you need all the help you can get for getting some decent fuel economy. That truck will pull you trailer almost up any hill without downshifting.
Don't worry about it, it will easily do the job!!!
2005 2500 Cummins/48RE/3.73, QCLB, 4wd, BigHorn, Edge Juice w/ CTS + Turbo Timer, ISSPro Oil and LP pressure gauges in cubby hole, GDP 20/2 filters on frame rail, Custom Diesel Steering Box Brace
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The G56 behind the 6.7 engine was regeared so the high rpm issue with the 5.9 G56 were eliminated.
The Cummins/G56 and the big 11.5" AAM rear axle will have no problems with that size trailer.
By the way a short bed quad cab has a 140" wheel base. IMO folks mention short bed and forget about what the actual wheel base is.
A short bed std cab trucks we had years back had 118'-120" wheel base. The same std cab long bed truck had a 130-132" wheelbase and was considered to handle the load better.
I pull a 10k flatdeck trailer (9640 lbs on the axles) with my 2500 short bed Dodge/Cummins 3.73 NV5600 2wd. The truck has no wd hitch and has no trouble at all pulling or handling.
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Tallboy wrote: This gets more confusing by the minute. I just asked the dealer to look at the vehicle sticker to verify the GCWR. He told me it is 15,000lbs and the curb weight of the vehicle is 5,949 (The online Dodge towing guide told me 20,000 for the GCWR and 6688 for the curb weight). Assuming the dealer gave me the right number, it seems the 15K GCWR will be too low for what I need. Drat
I find that a little low! My 01 5 speed 5.9 with 3.55 gears is rated at 16,000 GCVW.
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2001 Dodge 2500 4X4, 5.9 Cummins 5 speed, 3.55 gears, Pacbrake, Power Puck, 258K
netaq wrote: What you found on line is accurate. Based on your description of the truck I also found that its got 9000# GVWR & 20000# GCVWR. There's no reason that this truck would not handle that trailer really nicely.
Missing the legend (AKA fine print) that modifies these ratings.
Betcha that truck will weigh way more than the 'curb' listed...aka stripper
This one is not a stripper, as it has a diesel (heavy one at that) and
quad cab, and suspect it will also have AC/etc
This is how the ratings vs actual weights play in concert. Best to use
their GVWR's to figure if you don't have their actual weights. That will
provide some level of margin...risk is that you might go over their
GVWR's when you load them up with people/cargo/etc/etc
With all due respect, it is not missing the fine print, and the curb weight is not for a stripper. Look at the top of the picture you quoted, it describes the truck exactly as a 2500 Quad Cab Laramie pkg Short Box 2WD Diesel W G56 manual. I used the website, and it askes all those questions, and the numbers are different for every change (i.e. swapping Laramie for ST loses 350lbs of curb), so I would say they are quite accurate, and one of the most informative tools I have seen ANY manufacture produce. Go to http://www.dodge.com/towing/D/home.html and try it, I am very impressed. I would only say the OP was looking at a 2007, not 2009 like this picture, when I put in all the data for a 2007, the numbers were a couple hundred pounds different.
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Thank you all, this feedback has been very valuable!
It turns out the dealer didn't get the 15K number off the truck itself as he said GCWR wasn't on there; so he must have looked it up somewhere else. He has since talked to the service manager who looked it up and told him that it ranges between 15-20k depending on gearing.
The Dodge towing guide says very clearly that this exact truck, with this exact engine has a GCWR of 20K with the 3.73 so I think that's the most reliable source of info at this point.
I'm going to go look at it again tonight in person so I'll have a chance to look myself. I drove it last night but didn't think to look at the sticker.
Tallboy wrote: Thank you all, this feedback has been very valuable!
It turns out the dealer didn't get the 15K number off the truck itself as he said GCWR wasn't on there; so he must have looked it up somewhere else. He has since talked to the service manager who looked it up and told him that it ranges between 15-20k depending on gearing.
The Dodge towing guide says very clearly that this exact truck, with this exact engine has a GCWR of 20K with the 3.73 so I think that's the most reliable source of info at this point.
I'm going to go look at it again tonight in person so I'll have a chance to look myself. I drove it last night but didn't think to look at the sticker.
thanks again!
I pull between 11.5 and12k easly with my 01 5.9 with 3.55's so you should have o issues with that truck. The lack of 4X4 is another issue!
I pull between 11.5 and12k easly with my 01 5.9 with 3.55's so you should have o issues with that truck. The lack of 4X4 is another issue!
I know, I hear you on your last comment. Buying a 2WD would be a major change for me and I'm still not 100% sure. If I'm honest with myself, I realize that it's very rare for me to actually use 4WD. That said, there have been a few times when I was glad I had the option.
Tough choice, I can buy a 2wd that will work great 99.5% of the time. It'll probably drive nicer, get better mileage and will cost less upfront. -OR- I can buy a 4wd that I might only need once every year or two but I'll be darn happy I have it when those times come along.
It's funny, when I was a kid I had a 4 cyl. 2wd Chevy Luv pickup and I drove that thing all over the mountains & hills of western OR hunting and fishing without a care in the world. Now I'm totally stressing out about whether I can get by with a 2wd
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