These are the only stickers on my fiver. They do not show the GVWR but you can do the math and figure it out. The white sticker must have been added after the options were added because the CCC is a bit lower.
Not sure what they added to make up the 382 pounds. Bike rack, Aluminium rims (should be lighter), Maybe the awning...
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CapriRacer wrote: I don't think this is correct. I think the required label DOES specify tire type - by the letters in front of or behind the numbers. But I don't have a trailer (other than the home built car hauler), so I don't have a sample photo to show what I mean.
Can anyone else help in this regard?
Try 571.110 under 10k vehiclkes and 571.120 over 10k vehicles tire and wheel selection 571.110
See para S4.2.2
And
571.120
read para S5.1.2.................
and S5.1.3 if anyones interested in using recaps or used tires on their new trailers.
Also go on down to S10 for motor home and trailer axle/tire fitment info.
I haven't seen a tire size placard on trailers over 10k.
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renoman69 wrote: These are the only stickers on my fiver. They do not show the GVWR but you can do the math and figure it out. The white sticker must have been added after the options were added because the CCC is a bit lower.
Not sure what they added to make up the 382 pounds. Bike rack, Aluminium rims (should be lighter), Maybe the awning...
I cant read all of the info on the white decal on the lower LR side of your picture. It looks like it’s saying the certification label is inside the trailer somewhere.
Dayle1 wrote: .......The required labels on my fifth wheel specify tire size and PSI. But they do not specify tire type (i.e. ST or LT).....
I don't think this is correct. I think the required label DOES specify tire type - by the letters in front of or behind the numbers. But I don't have a trailer (other than the home built car hauler), so I don't have a sample photo to show what I mean.
Can anyone else help in this regard?
I just checked all 9 fifth wheels on our present job site, they all specify tire size, PSI and GAWR. But they are equally mixed with regard to tire type. ST specified on three units, year models, 2010, 2007 and 1999. LT specified on three units, year models 2006, 2006 and 2007. No type specified on three units, year models, 2004, 2011 and 2011. The three heaviest units, Mobile Suites, Montego Bay and Hitch-Hiker all specified LT tires.
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Dayle1 wrote: ..... No type specified on three units, year models, 2004, 2011 and 2011.........
Could you please post a photo of one of those? I want to understand this better.
The tire label looks like every other one, white and yellow. On mine and the other 2011, tire size is listed as 235/80R16E. And with 5200 lb axles, either ST or LT tires of this minimum size and LRE have sufficient capacity. Even if I had 6K axles the same would be true.
Dayle1 wrote: The tire label looks like every other one, white and yellow. On mine and the other 2011, tire size is listed as 235/80R16E. And with 5200 lb axles, either ST or LT tires of this minimum size and LRE have sufficient capacity. Even if I had 6K axles the same would be true.
kedanie wrote: As a point of explanation, those of you confused about the purpose of this post need to do a little research on the OP.
While he may seem to have a great deal of knowledge in regard to tires, many here believe that his agenda is a bit skewed. If you look at his admitted tire history, he has gone through at least 22 ST tires on his 9 year old RV. Many believe he is receiving some sort of compensation from the ST tire companies. This is the only explanation for his continued use of a tire type that has been of questionable service at best. When questioned on this subject, he will not admit or deny any link to the ST tire manufacturers. He even had plans to switch to 17.5" tires and wheels earlier this year and abandoned it for some mysterious reason, choosing to install yet another set of ST's later this year.
You will find that he posts numerous links to federal regulations and industry recommendations in and attempt to influence unknowing consumers to continue with tires that are failing all to often. He portrays himself as the captain of safety while promoting a tire type that has a questionable record at best.
Bottom line is his goal of keeping the ST tire lobby happy and selling more ST tires. If you are happy with that type of tire, good. However there are better choices out there.
Just my $.02
Keith
Also be sure to check the track record of those atacking to see what their agenda is.
OldGreaser wrote: I've never been good at clarifying anything, but I'll attempt it.
My trailer came with 6k axles and ST tires rated at 3420 lbs, as spelled out on the sticker. If I want to upgrade to LT tires rated at 3042 lbs, then Fast Eagle's position is that this would be an illegal change. Even though the LT's exceed the axle rating and in fact are more robust with many people reporting improved reliability over 3420 lb ST's, and a huge thread started by CapriRacer earlier this year that explained the rating process for LT tires involves a higher safety factor, the change would be illegal per Fast Eagle. Others are disputing this.
Did I get it right?
The legality would never be questioned unless the replacement tires got you into a situation where they came under scrutiny because of an unsafe condition or were suspected of causing an accident.
The interpretation (mine) of the regulations and industry standards as they are currently written require replacement tires to be of equal size and load capacity as the OE tires. It is also stipulated that they may also be of another size greater than the OE tires with the approval of the vehicle manufacturer or the tire manufacturer.
When an owner’s OE tires are of the ST design (such as yours), replacing them with LT tires falls into the “plus sizing” category. Why? Because the ST tire has a much higher load capacity then a like/near sized LT tire. Money enters the picture and fogs safety. It’s going to cost you to go from ST to LT tires, because, the LT235/85R16G from any manufacturer will require at least 96 psi to equal the load capacity of your current tires and that will mean new rims.
Most will compromise safety and go with LT tires with nearly 400# less load capacity per tire because someone said it’s a stronger, more reliable tire. Because I wont go along with that theory and support the industry standards I’m tagged as an ST lover. So be it.
Your best option is to find ST tires with 3520# of load capacity from the most reliable source. They fit your rims and have the same psi rating. Maintain and operate them within their defined parameters and they will give you good service for their expected life expectancy of 3-5 years.
What FastEagle leaves out with all his numbers is that for an ST tire to survive one must allow 12%-15% of the load rating for reserve loading. Even FE has made that same statement. That reserve is not required with LT tires. So, take away the 12-15 percent and you are back down to the rating of the LT tire. Basically, if you have 6000# axles the 3042# LT "E" rated is a perfect match that can be driven at speed above 65mph. Not that I would ever go there but the tires are rated for it.
Keith
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