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Posted: 08/04/12 08:33am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We have lived in WA State for many years and enjoy much of the natural beauty that this state offers. But what I see is management that is unaccountable to the very people they are suppose to serve. Grayland Beach is an example of a well thought out park that is a pleasure to use. Because we live so close to Oregon, our choice is to enjoy the easy access to the beaches. Oregon has public access to all it's beaches unlike other states.

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Seems what usually happens is a state or agency will hire another body or two to find out why the budget won't stretch and cover all the management it hires to run the people that actually do the field work.

1.5 managers for every field staff is pretty ridiculous, isn't it?


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Bureaucracy, like cancer, never shrinks itself.


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mockturtle wrote:

Bureaucracy, like cancer, never shrinks itself.


Bureaucracy created the parks. Pays for the parks and roads.

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bigred1cav wrote:

mockturtle wrote:

Bureaucracy, like cancer, never shrinks itself.


Bureaucracy created the parks. Pays for the parks and roads.

What is it people want when they crab about our amazing country and wonderful concerned governmental?

You are wrong. Bureaucracy did NOT create all of these things. Workers did!

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mockturtle wrote:

bigred1cav wrote:

mockturtle wrote:

Bureaucracy, like cancer, never shrinks itself.


Bureaucracy created the parks. Pays for the parks and roads.

What is it people want when they crab about our amazing country and wonderful concerned governmental?




You are wrong. Bureaucracy did NOT create all of these things. Workers did!


Apparently, the argument as to who built it is not having much impact as a correction to its government promoters.

What we are being told to understand is that whomever builds anything of any value whatsoever, the capacity for such activity must be recognized as a debt to government's largesse and deserving of whatever gratuity will suffice to keep us from continuing to do it.

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Our State Government management in Olympia has become so bloated, self-serving, and so audaciously polluted with their apparent self importance they long ago have discontinued the realization they are actually beholden to their subjects.


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For all you folks who seem to automaticly believe it must be all a "bloated management problem, with no facts other than you don't like the Gov'ment.

Please google the Washington State parks budget report.

It may suprise you to learn
1) Washington parks have existed for 100 years, in that time they have never been self supporting and always relied on the general funds. So how does that square with the claim the top heavy management is recent and that is what is breaking the parks system?

2) NO state park system in the entire country is self supporting. All rely on the general fund 3) the federal parks only take in 10% of their budget in fees.

4) The Washington state legislators passed a law, becuase we are broke that state parks must be self supporting.

5) that is the crux of the whole matter, to do it, seems fees should be raised, and I have no problem with that.

Are the state parks top heavy? I am sure they are, like many private companies as well, but would that solve this problem if we fired the entire management of state parks NO

Little less knee jerk, gov'ment bad , litte more knowledge may be a good thing

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Any private enterprise that is too top heavy soon goes broke and ceases to exist. The fat cat days are over and the bloated bureaucracy is in great need of downsizing just as many businesses have done in the past few years. The State as well as the Country in general is is bankrupt.

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Dick A wrote:

Our State Government management in Olympia has become so bloated, self-serving, and so audaciously polluted with their apparent self importance they long ago have discontinued the realization they are actually beholden to their subjects.


Simple, brilliant and penetrating comment going directly to the heart of the problem.

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