Raymon wrote: I only know one thing for certain: I have bought my last Monaco motor home!!! Less than 18,000 miles and problem after problem with no help from Navistar. Enough said.
Ray
You have a pre Navistar Monaco. Not sure why you expect them to help. There are a lot of owners who we;re caught with loss of manufactures from the recession. The Old Monaco is bankrupt and gone. Navistar bought the assests from th courts, they did not take over the company
Jayco took over the Entegra line up of coaches and offered no help or warranty to existing owners, Some of us have no company to get help from period.
I should have made my point more clear. I was referring to technical support, not warranted or monetary. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
No problem, although kind of surprised cause have heard others say they have been helpful to their inquiries. Sorry to hear that though, for your sake and others.
Raymon wrote: I only know one thing for certain: I have bought my last Monaco motor home!!! Less than 18,000 miles and problem after problem with no help from Navistar. Enough said.
Ray
You have a pre Navistar Monaco. Not sure why you expect them to help. There are a lot of owners who we;re caught with loss of manufactures from the recession. The Old Monaco is bankrupt and gone. Navistar bought the assests from th courts, they did not take over the company
Jayco took over the Entegra line up of coaches and offered no help or warranty to existing owners, Some of us have no company to get help from period.
I should have made my point more clear. I was referring to technical support, not warranted or monetary. Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Ray,
I'm really surprised. I have an '03 Monaco and the Tech support I have received from new Monaco has been great.
I for one, an sick to death of the negative postings from folks who seem to be gleefully awaiting Navistar's bankruptcy. Navistar is a US.manufacturer of heavy metal and there aren't many left. They employ tens of thousands of largely well paid workers. I'm very happy with my Cummis ISM, but I can tell you that every ISM that Cummins sold from '07 until it was retired in '10 was not EPA compliant and was sold because of EPA credits.
The Navistar MF7 and 10 are compliant with no credit involvement. They are in thousands of school buses and medium delivery vehicles. The engines in question are the 13 and 15 which are licensed from Cat with Navistar fuel systems.
I have a suggestion. All you guys who seem to hate Navistar should just never buy one!
steveownby wrote: I for one, an sick to death of the negative postings from folks who seem to be gleefully awaiting Navistar's bankruptcy. Navistar is a US.manufacturer of heavy metal and there aren't many left. They employ tens of thousands of largely well paid workers. I'm very happy with my Cummis ISM, but I can tell you that every ISM that Cummins sold from '07 until it was retired in '10 was not EPA compliant and was sold because of EPA credits.
The Navistar MF7 and 10 are compliant with no credit involvement. They are in thousands of school buses and medium delivery vehicles. The engines in question are the 13 and 15 which are licensed from Cat with Navistar fuel systems.
I have a suggestion. All you guys who seem to hate Navistar should just never buy one!
Gotta agree with ya on this one Steve, from my research Navistar has done a really good job on there coaches so far, most that I have communicated with are really happy with there new coaches and how Navistar has stood behind them. I have yet to find enough negative to sway our decision when we;re ready to order our coach in January. All the negative I hear seems to come from folks who don;t even have the new Monaco's
steveownby wrote: I for one, an sick to death of the negative postings from folks who seem to be gleefully awaiting Navistar's bankruptcy. Navistar is a US.manufacturer of heavy metal and there aren't many left. They employ tens of thousands of largely well paid workers. I'm very happy with my Cummis ISM, but I can tell you that every ISM that Cummins sold from '07 until it was retired in '10 was not EPA compliant and was sold because of EPA credits.
The Navistar MF7 and 10 are compliant with no credit involvement. They are in thousands of school buses and medium delivery vehicles. The engines in question are the 13 and 15 which are licensed from Cat with Navistar fuel systems.
I have a suggestion. All you guys who seem to hate Navistar should just never buy one!
Gotta agree with ya on this one Steve, from my research Navistar has done a really good job on there coaches so far, most that I have communicated with are really happy with there new coaches and how Navistar has stood behind them. I have yet to find enough negative to sway our decision when we;re ready to order our coach in January
I agree that Navistar/Monaco have stood up for their RVs and have NOT forgotten about the owners of the older models. I have had nothing but good responses from their tech service, every time I have called with a question or problem. Would I buy a new Monaco today, that is questionable, only because they still have some of the foxes guarding the hen house, which I have a problem with.
We did do a very through inspection of a new Endeavor at a dealer in OR and I was very impressed with the cleanliness in the out of site areas, plus IMO, the quality of workmanship was head and shoulders above the old Monaco, and I thought the old Monaco was good.
Bob & Betsy(FishNFanatic) - USN Aviation Ret'd '78 & LEO Ret'd '03 & "Oath Keeper Forever" '05 HR Endeavor 40PRQ, 400 Cummins-Pulling our '11 Silverado LT, Ex Cab 6.2L NHT 4x4, w/2010 Rzr or 01 V Star in back. Where the wheels are stopped today
For what it's worth, I have called Navistar tech support twice in the last year and they were eager to help me.
Most recent time was about 5 weeks ago when traveling through Wyoming. The fuse for the brake lights and turning signals kept popping. Navistar helped me determine what was causing it. It turned out to be the connection cord that connects the lights from the coach and toad.
I found that a loose screw was floating around in the connector causing a short. Once the screw was removed, we were all good again.
Thanks Navistar for the free help!!!
MM.
Mr.Mark
2008 Monaco Dynasty, 42.2 ft., 4 slides, 425 hp clean-air Cummins diesel
2013 Honda CR-V EXL, AWD, w/Nav, SMI Air Force One vacuum-assisted braking
The purpose of bringing the RV BUSINESS posting to light here was not to SCARE Monaco owners - I was simply posing the problem (as earlier Monaco owners sound themselves) that a collapse of Navitar would bring - leaving owners with nowhere to turn.
The main point at hand is the stability and weak management of Navistar - and that Moanco is impacted by any Navistar problem.
Several people have used the JUNE PUBLIC STATEMENTissued BY NAVISTARas evidence and fact at this time - this is neither current information nor from a reliable source. The FORBES article IS current - and from a reliable source.
Navistar's current and most pressing problem is FINANCIAL - not the quality of their motorhomes etc.
webhannet wrote: Lots of response - and that's good.
The purpose of bringing the RV BUSINESS posting to light here was not to SCARE Monaco owners - I was simply posing the problem (as earlier Monaco owners sound themselves) that a collapse of Navitar would bring - leaving owners with nowhere to turn.
The main point at hand is the stability and weak management of Navistar - and that Moanco is impacted by any Navistar problem.
Several people have used the JUNE PUBLIC STATEMENTissued BY NAVISTARas evidence and fact at this time - this is neither current information nor from a reliable source. The FORBES article IS current - and from a reliable source.
Navistar's current and most pressing problem is FINANCIAL - not the quality of their motorhomes etc.
While I got to agree they are struggling financially at the moment, I was just trying to clarify that not everything in that article was correct, they have motors that are certified and they are on the right track to getting the larger motors certified.
Large companies have come back from way worse than what Navistar is facing.
safn1949 wrote: In the class 8 market they have really painted themselves into a corner,it will be interesting to see how they recover. We had 2 International class 8 trucks in our fleet with Cummins engines,05 or 06 and they were junk.
Needed to be overhauled in the 300,000 mile range and were nothing but trouble,we have 2 macks with 1.2 million miles on them with original engines and some Volvos in the 800,000+ range the same.
To be clear the trucks thenselves were also very troublesome.
So...you complain about 7 year old trucks powered by engines that are no longer produced. This has WHAT, exactly to do with the here and now again?!
John and Elizabeth (Liz), with 3 nutty cats
My beloved St. Bernard, Marm, lost him 1/2/12
Current rig:
1992 International Genesis school bus conversion
From a slightly different perspective: I drive box trucks for a living. My company has ten new (2011) International tractors with Maxx-Force engines (I think MF 11's). We also currently have one new (2012) box truck with Maxx-Force DT power. The tractors have problems with their emission systems. The box truck, less so...and the truck itself is LEAPS AND BOUNDS, several orders of magnitude, billions and billions of times superior to the junk Freightliner builds!
It is quiet, comfortable, well-built, and smooth...where the FL's are noisy, bouncy, squeaky penalty boxes. The IH is quieter on the highway with windows DOWN than the FL's with windows UP. (The sound level in the FL actually borders on being painful when the cooling fan kicks on.) The IH's air conditioning is powerful enough to make the cab uncomfortably COLD on a 95+ degree day, without even turning the fan all the way up. The FL's will just, just barely make the cab tolerable, with the fan cranked all the way up and roaring like an airplane...it gives half the A/C for twice the racket, with heat pouring through the uninsulated floor, which actually gets HOT to the touch. (And in the winter, the FL's heat is also lousy, with little airflow from the floor vents and all sorts of drafts from their uninsulated, poorly-built cabs.) The FL's bounce enough that a seat belt becomes a necessity just to stay in the seat...the International rides like a modern pickup, smooth enough that an air-ride seat just isn't necessary. Expansion joints that send a jolting slam through the FL are noted only as an audible THUMP! and some feedback through the International's steering wheel. The MAXX-Force DT is smooth, quiet, and flexible, happy either pulling hills at 1600RPM or winding out to its 2700RPM governor. Basically: the Freightliners are noisy, uncomfortable penalty boxes, built strictly by bean-counters and making no attempt to hide the fact that not one single designer has ever driven one. The IH's drive like they were designed and built by someone who drove them, and are civilized enough to commute in!
I'd rather have a MaxxForce DT (or a gas F650) for my next truck, but if I get an International with a 6.7 Cummins...well, I could deal with that.
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