BenK wrote: First ask who is going to pay for any warranty claim?
The ask if any adviser here will pay?
Yes, go ask the dealer what they think of the glove box manual instructions and if
they will cover warranty work if you don't follow that manual
Lots and lots of folks do and also advise to defraud the OEMs by
not telling them chipped/modified/etc, but with a Fiver hitch, there
are going to be holes in the bed and wonder how one would defraud
the dealer telling them those holes came with the truck or some such...
Cmon Ben, lighten up a little bit. An no, don't tip your hand to the dealer...what's the point in that?
2006 Chevy 2500HD 8.1 4x4 CCSB
2012 Eclipse Stellar 28SBG, Spring Over Axle
BenK wrote: First ask who is going to pay for any warranty claim?
The ask if any adviser here will pay?
Yes, go ask the dealer what they think of the glove box manual instructions and if
they will cover warranty work if you don't follow that manual
Lots and lots of folks do and also advise to defraud the OEMs by
not telling them chipped/modified/etc, but with a Fiver hitch, there
are going to be holes in the bed and wonder how one would defraud
the dealer telling them those holes came with the truck or some such...
Cmon Ben, lighten up a little bit. An no, don't tip your hand to the dealer...what's the point in that?
Opinions and advice based on that opinion is what these forums are
about.
The OPs decide what they will do with that advice. Some only come
looking for confirmation of their decisions and/or what they want to
hear....others willing to listen and then decide their direction based
on that advice
The OP can hide those holes as others have advised.
My point is to provide other points to the OP and again, it is up to
the OP to decide what they will do
Look at my posts...I do NOT say you are good for it, but provide options, reasons
and metrics of how it is done for the OP's to make up their own minds
Sorry, but I've owned small to medium to working in very large corporations
where I had fiduciary responsibilities for the products.
I KNOW how warranty costs affect the overall cost structure of products
Meaning the fraud based warranties increases everyone's price of the
product
Also know that product designers screw up, some times
So the OP knows that his TV has been modified against the manual
recommendation. Knows and asking for advice or the 'sure you can'
to placate and there are several of them
For those advising to defraud, consider that there might be some
serious issues that might create a hazard out there for innocents
How large a risk? Who knows...but I'm not willing to take that risk
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
AndyLyyc wrote: wasn't until I wanted to figure out how to program the integrated brake controller that I found that. 'No 5th wheels to be installed in light duty' note...
guess I should have sat down with the manual first, not just eyeballing the ratings on the door jamb...
Wait? They sell a truck with an integrated brake controller and then tell you not to pull a fifth wheel? That's asinine.
AndyLyyc wrote: Well, what's done is done... no answers out of dodge/ram... dealer or anyone useful... just that the 1500 are light duty and are not rated to pull a 5'er...
I was figuring maybe someone here might know a real reason - I know I'm not exceeding any weight limit; hitch was installed by the shop that the dealer would have had do the install...
The 2011s didn't have this note, the early '12s didn't... dunno if there's something about the new rear suspension (strut like setup not leafs) but since I'm well below all weight restrictions, I figure I'm gonna run it...
Yeah, don't even feel it back there, big change from hauling the tc around...
Whats done is done so hook up and enjoy your camper. I betcha' have the new rear coil spring set up for the 1500 trucks.
The wifes 1500 crew cab has been back to the dealer twice with the GN hitch plate bolted in the bed. The only comment was from the service mgr on how is it working with the short 5' 8" bed.
We see the same thing on the different truck camper forums. A particular 2500/3500 model has a "not recommended for a truck camper" sticker in the glove box. Folks still use them and folks still get warranty issues taken care off.
"good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment" ............ Will Rogers
'03 2500 QC Dodge/Cummins HO 3.73 6 speed manual Jacobs Westach
'97 Park Avanue 28' 5er 11200 gvwr two slides
Unless there is something that's says "fifth wheel attachment will void your warrenty" or something like that I wouldnt worry about it. You are talking 500 or so lbs. I can't see it being a poroblem
TT: 1995 Layton 2910
Tow Vehicle: 1999 F-350, v10, 2wd, Crew Cab, Dually
Hitch: Draw-Tite Trunnion WD Hitch
Sway Control: Valley dual friction sway control
Brake Control: Tekonsha Voyager
"It's Kind of Fun To Do The Impossible"
~Walt Disney~
Wait? They sell a truck with an integrated brake controller and then tell you not to pull a fifth wheel? That's asinine.
I assume a 30' bumper tow would be alright.
Yup, 7400lbs 'Max tow' - 5000lbs 'rated' - which doesn't make sense to me...These damn companies are wording things so badly they're unintelligible...
Like I said, bought the truck - telling salesman we were going to do this... they made their suggestions, went to their install shop, nobody along the way said 'not recommended' its that discovery in fine print...
Dunno, can't find a logical reason for not doing it, other than some fine print in the manual... I've seen this trailer pulled by the old 1/4 tons...
On to the fun part - figuring out how to jack up the 5'er so she sits more level...
BenK wrote: First ask who is going to pay for any warranty claim?
The ask if any adviser here will pay?
Yes, go ask the dealer what they think of the glove box manual instructions and if
they will cover warranty work if you don't follow that manual
Lots and lots of folks do and also advise to defraud the OEMs by
not telling them chipped/modified/etc, but with a Fiver hitch, there
are going to be holes in the bed and wonder how one would defraud
the dealer telling them those holes came with the truck or some such...
Cmon Ben, lighten up a little bit. An no, don't tip your hand to the dealer...what's the point in that?
I never agree with people who think its right to hide modifications in order to secure a warranty claim. After all, the only result of that is higher prices for all of us.
Man up and admit what you've done. We all should know by now that our actions have consequences. I have no idea about warranty implications of 5th wheels and 1/2 tons, but if the trailer is truly as light as the OP stated I wouldn't worry about it causing damage.
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edited 08/12/12 10:14pm by Sport45 *
I don't want to rain on a parade but, IF there is an accident and someone gets hurt and the 5th / 1500 is an issue, the lawyers will have a field day. Dodge 1500 has coils in the rear and will soon have air. As far as to hide a mod to get a warranty paid, what ever happened to character, honesty, and the do unto others as, well, you know how it goes. Yes I know the auto mfg co's all lie to us and have lots of money so go do what you feel is right.
Highway 4x4 wrote: I don't want to rain on a parade but, IF there is an accident and someone gets hurt and the 5th / 1500 is an issue, the lawyers will have a field day...
That's why I have insurance, so the lawyers on my side can turn the "field day" into a "rainout".
Good point about "not recommended" versus "will void warranty". I bet six lawyers spent three months arriving at, and gaining upper management approval for that precise wording. It is like the difference between "will" and "shall", where shall is legally the stronger word.
Given the specs that were quoted, I'll bet an attorney would tell you that pulling a fiver of that size with a 1/2 ton truck passes the straight faced test as something called "reasonable and prudent".
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