What you just posted is nothing but a set of baseless allegations from a court filing of a money hungry class action lawyer.
News, are you aware that this is the same law firm that tried and won the original class action 6.0 suit for the ambulance industry? Yup, the same firm. They have already been there once and have lots of experience with the issues of the 6.0. I would assume that they are going to make many of the same arguments and much of the evidence already used in the first action.
Steve
Retired Teamster
2012 Jayco Eagle Superlite 31.5RLTS
07 F250 PowerStroke U Y B
What you just posted is nothing but a set of baseless allegations from a court filing of a money hungry class action lawyer.
News, are you aware that this is the same law firm that tried and won the original class action 6.0 suit for the ambulance industry? Yup, the same firm. They have already been there once and have lots of experience with the issues of the 6.0. I would assume that they are going to make many of the same arguments and much of the evidence already used in the first action.
Steve
IIRC, there was a settlement in which a video was distributed reminding the operators to regularly maintain their vehicles and a modest warranty extension.
Hardly a "victory", except as usual, for both sides lawyers.
Note that a lot of the class was nailed for failing to do proper maintenance.
This is not a tuner and mods type of class, unlike the individual owners.
A large number of individual owners complaining will be excluded because they installed unauthorized mods, failed to do maintenance properly, or emission tampering.
This can get real ugly for the individual owners who will end up on a public list of emission tampered vehicles and owners, and I can see the dollars start to dance in the heads of cash strapped State EPAs that need more fines to keep their department going.
I expect Ford to go to the wall on this case, and nail a good number of the non-ambulance class with mods to the vehicle that violated the warranty.
There is also a lot more at stake because there are multiple class actions.
Good luck.... I wouldn't be waiting for a big cash settlement check.
Oh.. because the Ambulance case never went to trial... all the evidence was not admitted.. and the game have to restart again.
The individual owners class is a lot more harder to pursue.
In my view, the best defense Ford has is what they spent on fixing the problem already --- and most customers were more or less sent along after the fixes.
Have a good look... not many suits succeed against automakers anymore.
* This post was
edited 08/22/12 08:12pm by NewsW *
Why not just get a DA or 5.9 and save a few $$$$? Don't hear about everyone buying those needing to throw $1000's into it to make it reliable. Never owned a 6.0. But advice on it is all over the place. No wonder it has such a bad rap, deserving or not.
That is real question - why do people try to polish the dog t#$d Ford 6.0?
Both the Cummins and the DA are so much better.
Evidently some people would rather buy a Ford at a discount, and spend some of those savings to 'bulletproof' it, than buy a GM or Chrysler.
Cuz after all you can get the 6.0 for a steal and spend 2 or 3 grand getting everything fixed, and in the end your left with a nice truck with a bad engine reputation.
With the Cummins and the DA, well, even after spending 2 or 3 grand on it, your still driving a Chrylser or GM product.
Last I checked, none of the HD trucks on the market come with a "never break down Guarantee"
02 Ford Explorer 4.6 V8 4x4, prodigy and equalizer
07 Crossroads Sunset Trail ST19CK
and no payments
Evidently some people would rather buy a Ford at a discount, and spend some of those savings to 'bulletproof' it, than buy a GM or Chrysler.
Cuz after all you can get the 6.0 for a steal and spend 2 or 3 grand getting everything fixed, and in the end your left with a nice truck with a bad engine reputation.
If you bought as I do, the fixes can be done for $500 or so.
It does take some cash to make a 6.0 live. Tuned or not. When they first came out I purchased for the company not for my personal trucks, 4 f350 cab & chassis for my foremen. Flatbed with 300 amp Miller welders and boxes with tools. By the time they were out of warranty all 4 were parked because We couldn't afford the repairs. That being said it's a good eng with some mods if you buy the truck right.
My way of avoiding it was searching for a long time for a low milage 7.3. Been happy ever since.
Glen
04 Tail gator XT 34' 5th wheel garage model
99 F350 CC DRW 7.3 ais intake, adrenaline hpop, JW valve body,
cooling mist water inj, DP tunes, 4" turbo back exh sys
trucool trans cooler added
08 Arctic Cat Prowler 700XTX
What you just posted is nothing but a set of baseless allegations from a court filing of a money hungry class action lawyer.
News, are you aware that this is the same law firm that tried and won the original class action 6.0 suit for the ambulance industry? Yup, the same firm. They have already been there once and have lots of experience with the issues of the 6.0. I would assume that they are going to make many of the same arguments and much of the evidence already used in the first action.
Steve
News, you need to read the text within the pages. It contains copies of emails between Ford employees (engineers) talking about the issues with the engine during their durability testing. That, or, you can just stick your fingers in your ears and say "LALALALALALALA". Up to you.
2010 Cougar 322QBS 5er
2007 Dodge 3500 SRW Megacab, 4x4, 5.9L Cummins, 3.73, 48RE auto HYPERTECH MAX ENERGY or DIABLO PREDATOR tuning MBRP 4" Turbo back Scangauge2 for Boost, Coolant temp, Rail press & Trans Temp
Torklift Stable Loads
What you just posted is nothing but a set of baseless allegations from a court filing of a money hungry class action lawyer.
News, are you aware that this is the same law firm that tried and won the original class action 6.0 suit for the ambulance industry? Yup, the same firm. They have already been there once and have lots of experience with the issues of the 6.0. I would assume that they are going to make many of the same arguments and much of the evidence already used in the first action.
Steve
News, you need to read the text within the pages. It contains copies of emails between Ford employees (engineers) talking about the issues with the engine during their durability testing. That, or, you can just stick your fingers in your ears and say "LALALALALALALA". Up to you.
If you have any sense of competence and fairness as an investigator, you would have posted the Ford response to the filing.
But you did not.
While I have not seen it, I bet you the response starts with something like "The Defendant denies the allegations..."
Let's suppose I go around and downdump the emails and text messages and voice logs from the organization you work for, and selectively plumb that for snippets.
I'd like you to enjoy what I can show about you and your organization from such an exercise.
It proves nothing.
A credible investigator, if you aspire to be one, investigates all sides of the issue and refrain from posting one side's allegations without giving the other side to respond.
So why is it during the now deleted Pentastar Tick post the same guys that slammed Chrysler are now saying things like "Can't blame that on Ford, can we? ", "In general, the mods cause more harm than good. ", "Last I checked, none of the HD trucks on the market come with a "never break down Guarantee" < " NOTE this can be said of cars also"!
Don
* This post was
edited 08/23/12 03:24pm by Perrysburg Dodgeboy *
Perrysburg Dodgeboy 2004 Dodge Ram 2500 Quad Cab SLT Cummins HO
2005 Keystone Cougar 304 BHS
Chrysler the only one to pay back 100% of their loans from the Government. *The Old Car Company" still owes 1.6 billion. Is that better Chuckles
goducks10 wrote: Still wonder how Dodge was able to go from 650tq to 800tq by just flashing the motor. Not much different than using a tuner I would think.
Lots of little tricks.
Torque increase is done by extending fuel injection way past Top Dead Center, generating lots of torque but wasting a lot of fuel that doesn't have much time to burn and convert heat to mechanical energy.
It also means a lot of unburnt fuel (and particulates) goes down the exhaust, and have to be cleaned up by the DPF and DOC.
Not surprising that is where the big problems have been.
Another bag of tricks is stress management, that dial back power after that brief interval to enable the engine to rest (or to prevent it from coming apart).
Finally, the little trick called advertising --- the advertised power is not SAE certified, and in many tests, actual power and torque is way below what Dodge claims.
So you took a 2011 Ram and had it tested? Would Ford and GM's claimed HP/Torque rates hold up? Where are they measuring them from, at the engine or the rear wheels?
Please enlighten us all knowing and powerful NewsW
What you just posted is nothing but a set of baseless allegations from a court filing of a money hungry class action lawyer.
News, are you aware that this is the same law firm that tried and won the original class action 6.0 suit for the ambulance industry? Yup, the same firm. They have already been there once and have lots of experience with the issues of the 6.0. I would assume that they are going to make many of the same arguments and much of the evidence already used in the first action.
Steve
News, you need to read the text within the pages. It contains copies of emails between Ford employees (engineers) talking about the issues with the engine during their durability testing. That, or, you can just stick your fingers in your ears and say "LALALALALALALA". Up to you.
If you have any sense of competence and fairness as an investigator, you would have posted the Ford response to the filing.
But you did not.
While I have not seen it, I bet you the response starts with something like "The Defendant denies the allegations..." Yep that is how they responded to mine, but it still cost them a new 1992 Ford F-150 XLT Lariat to replace my junk 1990. Less then one week before it was to go to court.
Let's suppose I go around and downdump the emails and text messages and voice logs from the organization you work for, and selectively plumb that for snippets.
I'd like you to enjoy what I can show about you and your organization from such an exercise.
It proves nothing.
A credible investigator, if you aspire to be one, investigates all sides of the issue and refrain from posting one side's allegations without giving the other side to respond.
Offline
