hmknightnc
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keatonb16 wrote:and I have said this before...tow ratings are not warranty matters...having managed at a dealership we didnt give a rats behind how the part failed. we shoved it in our shop and fixed it,no dealer will turn away guaranteed work.
Dealers are not manufacturers.
but also to add in my 20 years in the business I have never seen a towing related issue....axles dont break and transmission and engine problems cannot be blamed entirely on towing.
And that's the practical answer to the GVWR and GCWR discussion. Well said  (watch those axle and tire ratings though)
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keatonb16 wrote: ... actually your trailer weighs as much as the one he is looking at and you just have a 4 runner.. he has the biggest GM suv on the road Quite right. The point was about using dry weight as a measure of ability to tow.
(BTW, my scale weight is 5100# loaded for camping)
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Here's a question regarding GVWR. I have a 2005 2500HD GMC Duramax/Allison ext cab 4 wheel drive. The GAWRF is 4670 pounds the GAWRR is 6084 pounds, together these number equal 10754 pounds. However, my GVWR is 9200 pounds. So why are the axles together capable of 10754 pounds and, the truck as a whole only rated to 9200 pounds?
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I tow 6000 or so (no I don't know, or care, what the actual weight is) with a '94 Burb. It works fine. As a couple others have mentioned without getting too deep into number theory, your Burb can easily haul that TT
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keatonb16
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Gene&Ginny wrote:keatonb16 wrote: ... actually your trailer weighs as much as the one he is looking at and you just have a 4 runner.. he has the biggest GM suv on the road Quite right. The point was about using dry weight as a measure of ability to tow.
(BTW, my scale weight is 5100# loaded for camping)
and that is all his will be as well. 900 lbs options and gear is a ton of stuff.
the discussion was on his burbs ability so I assumed you were referencing that.
added.. and yes I know 900 lbs is only half a ton
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keatonb16
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Merlot wrote:Here's a question regarding GVWR. I have a 2005 2500HD GMC Duramax/Allison ext cab 4 wheel drive. The GAWRF is 4670 pounds the GAWRR is 6084 pounds, together these number equal 10754 pounds. However, my GVWR is 9200 pounds. So why are the axles together capable of 10754 pounds and, the truck as a whole only rated to 9200 pounds?
I believe simply because 10754 lbs would not be spread across the axles as they should. in other words if you loaded your truck up to weigh 10754 the rear axle would likely be 6800 and the front4000. or maybe some other configuration but it would probably overload one of the axles.
This would be my understanding anyway
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Our trailer is exactly the same GVWR as you are considering, with exactly the same tow vehicle. Our hybrid is about 28 ft while towing. You won't have any problem.
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I am towing 6000lb with 1500 wish I had a 2500 you are well in your limits have fun and be safe
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Terryallan wrote:Gene&Ginny wrote:Dry weight is meaningless unless you carry no food, dishes, clothes, water, bedding, propane, tools, chairs, etc.
If you tow empty, as delivered, then you can use dry weight.
for me the GVWR is the useless number. I know I will never load my TT to the max GVWR. so that is uselss information. I go by the Yellow sticker dry weight, So that I will know the TT is within my tow capacity once loaded with my stuff, which add 7 or 800 lbs.
I agree. As the dry weight is not practical , I also believe that using the gross weight is also impractical as most people will never load their trailers that heavy. For example, my trailer is 6300 dry with a gross of 8300. I have a 96 gallon fresh water tank with two 33 gallon waste tanks. Roughly figuring that water is 7.75 lbs/gallon, those tanks, if full, add ~1000 lbs. I don't dry camp, so that weight is never an issue. I will weigh my tt and TV this weekend, but I would be surprised if I'm anywhere near 800 lbs of personal effects in the tt.
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Unless you plan on always towing around a trailer loaded to it`s GVWR then that is also a useless figure! I always recomend adding approx. 1200lbs (depending on how you pack) to the dry weight, this will get you very close to the ready to travel weight. My TT has a 4100lb Cargo Carrying Capacity (CCC). if I went by the GVWR only as many recomend, I couldn`t tow it with my Excursion. Find a TT with a GVWR of approx. 5000lbs and go from there!
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