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I'm about to purchase a 07 Keystone Montana Mountaineer 5th Wheel and I asked the guy I'm buying it from if it's insulated for winter camping. He informed me that this particular model is setup for winter and the pipes are insulated. I currently live in So Cal and a lot of the RV's out here are not setup for winter conditions since we don't really have much of a winter. But I know talking with a few RV dealers, some RV models are setup with insulation for winter conditions and some are not. Is there any way I can really tell if the guy I'm buying it from is telling me the truth? I just don't want any surprises when I get on the road with this. From what I've read on several forum postings, there's a lot I need to be aware of while camping in winter conditions. Looking on the manufacturer's website, I'm not seeing this information (http://www.keystonerv.com/previous-years?brand=Mountaineer&year=2007) Any suggestions?


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Ask him for the vin # and then call Keystone. They should be able to run the Vin # and tell you exactly what is in the unit. I hope you are personally going to check this unit before you purchase it.


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Ask for an actual oem temperature rating. Insulation is nice but you need to ask about tank and pipe heaters as some kind of arctic package. Furnace heated compartments may hold up to 20F possibly 10F but that is iffy unless specifically rated. Since it is used you will need to do an actual survey yourself to discover what is exposed to the cold.


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Maybe you could call Keystone customer service with the model and serial nr and they could tell you what options the unit has.


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twins89 wrote:

Ask him for the vin # and then call Keystone. They should be able to run the Vin # and tell you exactly what is in the unit. I hope you are personally going to check this unit before you purchase it.

Good idea. I have the VIN and will call them now. I've done a walk through twice on the RV and everything looks pretty solid. I'll confirm the major components work before purchasing it.

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they do not insulate the pipes.They run them next to the heat duct and burry them so the air does not get to them.look under at the low water drains and see if they have covers on them

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What you GOT from him was an opinion. What you NEED from him is real numbers. What is the insulation R value of walls, floor and ceiling? What type of four season equipment does it have installed (tank heaters (not the furnace) plumbing heaters, mattress heaters, storm windows etc.) Anyone can SAY that an RV is a four season model and you can USE most any RV in all four seasons but that doesn't mean they are designed for that type of use. Get the real details before you make up your mind. Insulation is the Most IMPORTANT ITEM as most of that other stuff can be ADDED to any RV but if it's not four season insulated it's awfully tough to add insulation effectively.


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Four-season rigs are usually pretty easy to distinguish from warm-weather rigs. On those intended for warmer weather, usually you can physically see the bottoms of the waste tanks, the pipes leading from them, and the valves. If especially those valves and pipes are exposed, then they'll freeze rather quickly. By contrast, those intended for wintertime use will have tanks, pipes and valves that are fully enclosed (and insulated and heated), not at all visible from the outside of the rig.

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I don't think Keystone makes a 4 season unit.


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I do not think the lower end Mountaineer models are that good for four season RVing! Sorta like the cabin I had years ago where a paper would blow off the table with all the windows and doors closed!

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