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Posted: 12/06/12 11:56am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I am going to take one for a test drive, curious about the air ride system. I remember Dodge had went with coils in the rear suspension, was there issues with the set up. I never heard of any complaints.


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Coil spring design is not the issue with the 2009+ Ram 1500. It's the spring rate! Lowest payload in the class, and not improved for 2013. So now with the air bag system, they won't appear to be overloaded anymore. The Ram 1500 is a great truck, but I still cannot recommend one for RVing. Glad Chrysler addressed the deficiency in the HDs for 2013.

I really hate the media focus on the base V6 trucks. That's less than 10% of the market for each manufacturer. 2 years ago it was Ford's 3.7L. Now Rams' 3.6L/8-spd. As good as it may be, few people buy it. Improve the mainstream stuff. Wonder how the Hemi/8-spd will fair on EPA tests.

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I really hate the media focus on the base V6 trucks. That's less than 10% of the market for each manufacturer. 2 years ago it was Ford's 3.7L. Now Rams' 3.6L/8-spd. As good as it may be, few people buy it. Improve the mainstream stuff. Wonder how the Hemi/8-spd will fair on EPA tests.

I agree. I'm not going to spend $35K and get a V6.

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I pay no attention to MotorTrend's choice for "truck of the year." When you look at their requirements for the truck to be considered you discover that only trucks with major design changes for the year are considered. So depending on the year - The MotorTrend Truck of the Year could go to the only contender which could be the worst truck on the market.


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Posted: 12/06/12 01:19pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

You mean the Ridgeline didn't win again?

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What I found most interesting was the EcoBoost/6 speed vs the Hemi/"sort of" 6 speed head to head. The EcoBoost was barely quicker in 0-60 and 1/4 mile unloaded, but the Hemi was faster when both trucks were loaded down with a weighted trailer.

The Hemi & 8 speed should be the top performer in the 1500 series class once that combo is available mid-year. That is, until GM releases their latest (whatever that may be) in 2014. [emoticon]

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I really hate the media focus on the base V6 trucks. That's less than 10% of the market for each manufacturer. 2 years ago it was Ford's 3.7L. Now Rams' 3.6L/8-spd. As good as it may be, few people buy it. Improve the mainstream stuff. Wonder how the Hemi/8-spd will fair on EPA tests.


I get what you are saying -- it is kind of sensational to go on and on about 25 mpg and not mention it is only a V6 that few people may buy.

But, the market may also shift if adequate V6 powered trucks become available. You have to think of the 1/2 ton truck market in context outside of the RV world. In my slightly upper middle class suburban neighborhood, what with 1/2 acre lots and all of that, I'd estimate that 75% of the households have a pickup of some sort. Some tow heavy trailers, others use them on the job, and a bunch just "need" a pickup -- nearly all of those are of the 3/4 ton or 1 ton variety. Thinking about the houses surrounding mine (3 or 4 in each direction), there are 5 1/2 ton pickups that do nothing more than commute to work, weekend projects, and so forth, with the exception of one house, who also uses their F150 to tow a 23 ft TT. Heck, today I went to lunch with my co-worker in his '10 RAM 1500 Hemi. He tows 2 waverunners to Lake Powell a couple times a year (which my Subaru could handle -- he doesn't "need" 400 hp for that chore!). Otherwise, he just wants a nice truck to drive.

I think that getting your average 1/2 ton truck buyer in a V6 is probably the tough part -- it doesn't go with the whole truck persona, to be sure. My co-worker went with the RAM at least in part because the Hemi had more power than offerings from the other 2 (the other part was he got it for a lower price). But if buyers will consider it, I think many of them will realize a 300 hp V6 will work fine for their uses, and it gets better mpg than their last truck, maybe it will work, who knows.


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Here's how the 8 speed trans is such a benefit. Despite being down almost 100 hp and more than 100 lb-ft of torque, and being equipped with a 3.21 rear axle ratio, the 3.6L V6 and 8 speed auto equipped RAM 1500 was only marginally slower than the Hemi/6 speed in acceleration testing.

3.6L V6/8 speed/3.21 axle - 1/4 mile -- 15.8 sec @ 86.7 mph
5.7L Hemi/6 speed/3.92 axle - 1/4 mile -- 15.4 sec @ 88.6 mph

* This post was edited 12/06/12 01:43pm by ib516 *

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It is kind of the manufacturers fault, with all the attention to fuel mileage. They put forth the best fuel mileage, and it obviously has to be the smallest engine package, same with all brands. That is an important factor for businesses, fuel mileage. With the upcoming tax hammer about to pound small businesses, if they can still afford to replace fleet vehicles, the small V-6 may be their only option.

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