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We are brand new to the RV world, though have been touring for a while. We just purchased our Nash at the West Milton dealer and had a good experience. I liked the floorplan and the high marks from people about Nash/Arctic Fox. Am looking forward to a bit warmer temperatures to take it out. Right now its sitting in my driveway being a temptation, when it gets back in the twenties I'll have a few nights in the driveway as I learn the ropes!! Can't wait!!


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Woodglue runs around the forum pushing her Lance propaganda and putting down all others.I don't understand why she feels the need to do that..

She raves about the quality of the construction of Lance trailers. I wonder if she knows that her Lance's "dual pane" windows add about an R-Value of 1 or 2 points. Big expense for dual panes. (BTW I have them on my Jayco- never again). Lance uses block foam for insulation. Styrofoam has less insulating value than fiberglass (pink stuff)inch for inch.Insulation
I could go on but I think everyone gets the point. All trailers have their problems. We just have to work around them and go on enjoying the RV lifestyle..
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BillB800si wrote:

Woodglue runs around the forum pushing her Lance propaganda and putting down all others.I don't understand why she feels the need to do that..

She raves about the quality of the construction of Lance trailers. I wonder if she knows that her Lance's "dual pane" windows add about an R-Value of 1 or 2 points. Big expense for dual panes. (BTW I have them on my Jayco- never again).


What didn't you like about the dual pane windows? Must be less condensation in cold and/or damp weather I'd think? I always figured they'd be good to have..?


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BillB800si wrote:

Woodglue runs around the forum pushing her Lance propaganda and putting down all others.I don't understand why she feels the need to do that..

She raves about the quality of the construction of Lance trailers. I wonder if she knows that her Lance's "dual pane" windows add about an R-Value of 1 or 2 points. Big expense for dual panes. (BTW I have them on my Jayco- never again). Lance uses block foam for insulation. Styrofoam has less insulating value than fiberglass (pink stuff)inch for inch.Insulation
I could go on but I think everyone gets the point. All trailers have their problems. We just have to work around them and go on enjoying the RV lifestyle..
Happy trails,


Dual pane windows are a huge plus in ANY "4 Seasons" trailer. And there is a huge difference between Styrofoam and Extruded Polystyrene.

Please get your facts straight before stating them as such.

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Dual pane windows are a huge plus in ANY "4 Seasons" trailer. And there is a huge difference between Styrofoam and Extruded Polystyrene.

Please get your facts straight before stating them as such.

WoodGlue


Why not give him the chance to answer my question about the windows before jumping down his throat? He's had them and wasn't impressed.

As for the foam, yes there is a difference, mostly to do with trademarks as far as I can see....
I'm pretty sire the blue or pink foam (styrofoam) has a higher R value that the white stuff, it's a lot denser, I used it in the basement of my old house. The white stuff is used a lot for coffee cups, packing material etc, it's cheaper, less R value.

What kinda foam does Lance have?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Styrofoam

http://www.gfrecycle.com/cms/FAQ

* This post was edited 01/25/13 10:19pm by Fisherguy *

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Hi BillB800si,

I would never by an RV that did not have dual pane windows. I cold weather camp a lot.

Personally I find Woodglue's comments of interest, and I've learned things I did not know before.

As to your claim of fiber being more effective, that is not necessarily so:

R Value Myth Foam vs Fiberglass


BillB800si wrote:

Woodglue runs around the forum pushing her Lance propaganda and putting down all others.I don't understand why she feels the need to do that..

She raves about the quality of the construction of Lance trailers. I wonder if she knows that her Lance's "dual pane" windows add about an R-Value of 1 or 2 points. Big expense for dual panes. (BTW I have them on my Jayco- never again). Lance uses block foam for insulation. Styrofoam has less insulating value than fiberglass (pink stuff)inch for inch.Insulation All trailers have their problems. We just have to work around them and go on enjoying the RV lifestyle..
Happy trails,



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pianotuna wrote:

Hi BillB800si,

I would never by an RV that did not have dual pane windows. I cold weather camp a lot.

Personally I find Woodglue's comments of interest, and I've learned things I did not know before.

As to your claim of fiber being more effective, that is not necessarily so:

R Value Myth Foam vs Fiberglass



You must be selling your unit and buying a Lance then?

I'm interested in hearing why Bill didn't like his dual pane windows.

Click the link Bill posted, it says standard fibreglass insulation has a higher R value than standard polystyrene.
I'm just not sold on foam sandwich construction which has very few studs, relying on the foam for strength compared to a standard fibreglass insulated RV with 16" centered studs of welded aluminium or wood studs.

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Fisherguy wrote:

pianotuna wrote:

Hi BillB800si,

I would never by an RV that did not have dual pane windows. I cold weather camp a lot.

Personally I find Woodglue's comments of interest, and I've learned things I did not know before.

As to your claim of fiber being more effective, that is not necessarily so:

R Value Myth Foam vs Fiberglass



You must be selling your unit and buying a Lance then?

I'm interested in hearing why Bill didn't like his dual pane windows.

Click the link Bill posted, it says standard fibreglass insulation has a higher R value than standard polystyrene.
I'm just not sold on foam sandwich construction which has very few studs, relying on the foam for strength compared to a standard fibreglass insulated RV with 16" centered studs of welded aluminium or wood studs.


Yes and polystyrene coupled with Azdel in the walls blows "pink insulation and luaun" out of the water, as Azdel has it's own insulation properties!

Lance uses extruded polystyrene and Azdel in all their campers and trailers.

WoodGlue

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Hi Fisherguy,

It's not too likely that I'll switch from the medium quality class C that I was fortunate enough to be able to afford.

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The intent if the OP's question has been long lost with this argument about insulation and double pane windows and some of the comments are getting personal - thread is closed

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