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rctoyguy

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In the market for a 5th wheel, and I know I need to be careful about weights - but I'm trying to get in the ballpark for camper weights to see if what I want is reasonable.

I just looked up the specs for my truck - and if I'm reading it right, my payload is only 2460... So if I put 600 pounds of people/dogs/fuel in the truck (grabbing a number out of thin air as an example), that leaves 1860 pounds for pin weight -- Isn't that how you calculate to get the number?

If I am supposed to guesstimate 24% or so as pin weight, that means I am limited to a 5th wheel with a "camp ready" weight of about 7800.

Can this possibly be right?


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Also check your rear axle weight rating and tire capacity.


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And that's why we tell folks to spend a few hundred bucks on a 3500.


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Posted: 02/14/17 08:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

since these numbers are so low, I don't know that it would matter. I knew I wouldn't be able to just have my pick of any 5th wheel (weight wise) - but I REALLY figured I'd be safe with anything under about 11-12k.

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I been trying for months on end to find out want my 1999 Dodge 2500 can "Safety" haul for a 5th wheel.

Here is the best site I found so far.

http://rvsafety.com/

http://rvsafety.com/rv-education/matching-trucks-to-trailers


Charles

PS: If you find anything better, send me a line.


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2500s are typically limited to an artificially low GVWR under 10,000 lbs. regardless of the vehicles actual capacity/ability. They are often nearly identical to their 3500 brethren that are rated much higher.


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To repeat with BillyW said you have artificially low payload on that sticker. To meet the GVWR of 10k your payload is calculated as the difference between the 10k and your truck weight. The 10k limit is for registration related issues and is not a reflection of the capability of the truck.

For 2016 the 2500 is the same as a 3500 with the exception of the rear suspension and maybe wheels depending on what package you selected. Expect the same is true for your 2013 (would defer to a Ram owner to confirm this shortly).

Buddy of mine has a 2012 Chevy 2500 and had a payload of under 2k. He put on different wheels and tires, added Timbrens and hauls in excess of 3k in his bed comfortably.

Take a look at this thread Improving Ram 2500 Payload

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Last year was our first year camping - bought too much camper for the truck I had at the time, so I upgraded the truck to this 2500 after seeing so many of them in the campgrounds, pulling all kinds of fivers (already knowing that's where I wanted to end up) Now that I'm about ready to trade the camper and it's time to really look at the numbers, I can't believe it.
The floor plan that I really like is the Forest River Heritage Glen 368 RLBHK (LOVE the mid bunk layout with the big rear living area) so I started digging to see if I thought I could pull it, and it looks like I'm not even close.

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But you can pull an 18000 lb ball/pintle hitch trailer with 10% hitch weight!

Reality is, the OP has figured out max trailer the way one should.

On other hand, yes as noted, if you use gvwr as the sums of the front and reAr axles, you could potentially have an additional 1000-3000+ lbs of payload, depending upon how you load things. IE how the weight is distributed.
I personally use the sum of for what I will use for max gvw. Or you could be a.real dare devil, us federal bridge law Mac, that would be 20,000 per axel, limited to 500 lbs per inch.width of tire, or about 5000-5500 per tire, or 20k lbs....I will not recommend this for most folks.
I would suggest OP look at a bigger truck if that trailer is over 12000 lbs potential.

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AlmostAnOldGuy wrote:

To repeat with BillyW said you have artificially low payload on that sticker. To meet the GVWR of 10k your payload is calculated as the difference between the 10k and your truck weight. The 10k limit is for registration related issues and is not a reflection of the capability of the truck.

Take a look at this thread Improving Ram 2500 Payload

Good luck,
Stu

Stu is right, the numbers on the sticker don't match up. My '14 also says GVWR of 10,000 lbs. But the sticker also says GAWR of 6,000 for the front and 6,500 for the rear. Um, okay, so my max weight is 2,500 lbs under the combined axle ratings? Odd indeed. The base weights show 5,000lbs for the front axle and 3,000 lbs for the rear. If you go by the axle ratings my truck, when empty, is 4,500 lbs below the axle ratings. Again, odd indeed.

I'm in Stu's camp, the GVWR is a registration number. If you go by the axle ratings these trucks can take a bunch more pin weight than the GVWR tells you.

I have not weighed my 5th wheel but specs show it's 9,000 lbs empty with a hitch weight of 1,900 lbs and 14,000 lbs GVWR. So, they are estimating a 21% pin weight. I would guess loaded with water, ready to go with all my stuff it's about 12,000 lbs which would equate to about 2,500 lbs pin weight. When I set that down on the hitch the truck might sag 1 1/2" and it rides as smooth as can be. If you were to believe the GVWR I would technically be over that value.

With the pin plus 5er hitch (about 200lbs), assuming all weight is on the rear axle I'm at 2,700 (pin) + 3,000lbs (unloaded) for a total of 5,700 lbs. That's still 800 lbs under the axle rating of 6,500 lbs. Also my tires are the OEM spec Firestone Transforce and they are rated at 3,640 lbs each, so they are rated to handle 7,280 lbs on the rear axle alone.

I like to go by the numbers and ensure I'm safe, but the numbers on this truck are confusing. Basically, I know I'm within my axle ratings and tire ratings, the truck does not look or feel overloaded, so I'm confident I'm good with this setup.

KJ

* This post was edited 02/14/17 09:06pm by LIKE2BUILD *


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