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Posted: 11/10/17 08:35am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

In order to be compliant with your GCWR do you just have to scale less than the GCWR or as I think I read somewhere GCWR = sum of truck GVWR and trailer GVWR and it doesn't matter how much you scale? Hope that makes sense? When are you into comercial territory with GCWR's?


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GCWR is not a legal issue, it is the manufacturer's rating for warranty (if they could ever prove you exceeded it). It is what the manu. feels is a max weight to pull with reasonable performance and not damage the drivetrain, etc. But to specifically answer, you would not add truck and fiver GVWRs because that would double count the pin weight. Also in Tx you can register the truck for a GVWR higher than the manu. Number. You just can't exceed any axle or tire rating.


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I drove the truck and 5er onto scale and as long as that number was under the GCWR I was ok.

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Posted: 11/10/17 08:53am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

In some states you need to be licensed for your particular GCWR. But basically it's just a possible warranty thing.


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Posted: 11/10/17 09:19am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

So I just watched a video - in TX you are supposed to have a Class A non-commercial license for anything over 26,000 CGWR. It specifically stated that that number is determined by adding the truck GVWR and the trailers GCWR. Interesting..

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Txsurfer wrote:

So I just watched a video - in TX you are supposed to have a Class A non-commercial license for anything over 26,000 CGWR. It specifically stated that that number is determined by adding the truck GVWR and the trailers GCWR. Interesting..


The term "Gross Combined Weight Rating" (GCWR) is used in two totally unrelated contexts. One is the manufacturer GCWR, which is the total combined weight that the vehicle is rated to move as explained above. The other, which is what you are referring to, is the number that states refer to in determining regulations for a particular combination. In the case of Texas that's requiring a non-commericial class A license to drive a combination of 26,000 pounds GCWR or more if the trailer also is over 10,000 GVWR. In this situation, GCWR is simply the sum of the truck's GVWR and the trailer's GVWR. For example, a SRW 3500 series truck with an 11,400 GVWR pulling a 5th wheel with a 16,000 GVWR would require a non-commercial class A license in Texas and some other states, where a DRW truck with a GVWR of 14,000 pulling a fifth wheel with an 11,000 GVWR would not.

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Well, kind of rjstractor. I believe the registration weight would be the "actual" combined weight of your vehicles, not their combined GVWR.

For example: my registration weight is 23,000 lbs., which is a little more than I actually weigh. If I were stopped and weighed I would be legal. However if I went by my GVWR, then the truck would be 10,000 lbs. and the trailer would be 18,000 lbs., meaning I would need to be licensed to 28,000 lbs. But that isn't the way it works in Missouri. They register by actual weight, not theoretical weight.

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How many thousands of posts on this issue

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The problem is that RV’s and personal use vehicles are handled differently in each state. Commercial has federal guidelines that are consistent for interstate commerce, but they can be different than personal use in each state.

In my state, I register each of my vehicles for a maximum GVW. If I go above that weight, I can be cited or have to pay for an additional 2000 lbs of GVW. They don’t care what the GVWR or GCWR stickers say as long as you can stop the vehicle in a prescribed distance and are not over tire or road ratings.


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Bedlam,
Here in WaSt, commercial and personal use trucks are registered the same way, same fees, same max per axle, based on actual tire width, or 500 lb per inch for a single wheel set up, 600 if you have duals, to a max 20,000 per axle, min 34,000 for tandems.

Personal does not have to follow actual drivers licensing requirements, log hours to name two items. 69 mph speed limit for those over 10,000 lbs, or pulling a trailer, chains required in winter on class's for those over 10k, 4we does not matter, not supposed to be in car pool lanes, but Leo's look the other way.....

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