I think the previous posters want to get you into a 40,000 plus package. A truck and a camper for under 20 means you will be looking for "used". That isn't a bad thing at all. Some times with diligence you will be able to find a nice combo, truck and camper.
My bad, I didn't see that when I started expounding the virtues of double/triple slides on dually's. That's still a very respectable budget that will get you a good used rig.
a DUALLY is a lot of truck- especially on the narrow dirt roads I travel on to get to my mining claims.
Mine's an '01, I've had it since almost new, and I can honestly say I've never been in a situation where I went "Rut Roh" solely due to the extra width. You're only talking an extra 12". Seems like a lot, but you get used to it. Plus any TC you get will be as wide or wider.
The extra capacity more than makes up for any inconvenience. For instance--
I can haul 2 full yards of 5/8's minus driveway gravel (~5,000lbs).
I have hauled 2 full pallets of decorative yard brick (~4500lbs).
My 5'er Toyhauler (42' triple axle Cyclone) had a pin weight of 3,200lbs.
Like many Senior members, I've had several campers, as well as 3 TT's and a 5'er. I can tell you the one thing you will DEARLY miss if you don't get it is a sofa.
Plan on getting a dually and at least a double-slide model with a sofa. The dinette in virtually any rig is just not a "kick back and relax" place to sit. Your only other choice is the bunk, or a campchair outside.
Not to start a SRW vs. DRW war again, but dually's handle the side-to-side sway motion much better, and of course, the obvious, you have a much higher payload.
As far as Crew-Cab vs. standard - I use my CC for storage when needed, and it is very handy when I do. Some folks have even taken out the back seat for more storage space. It's not that big of a handful to get anywhere, and in fact, having downsized from a TT, I think you will find it quite easy.
Got me a Can Am Maverick to go play with.
About half the time I'm TC'ing, I have a trailer with me. I recently traded from a flatbed to a 20' enclosed cargo trailer. I wanted to still carry my jeep, or if I take my new toy instead, have safe place for it (can't take both).
So, I've had several trailers, just depended on what the need was at the time. When I had an enclosed trailer before, I'd toss in things like extra water (for boondocking), gas for the toys, tools, firewood, floor jack, air compressor, etc.
What do you toss in your trailer?
Well, that actually was the original plan, bury the poles in concrete. But the county came back and said I had to go with an entire cubic yard 3x3x3 footing for each pole.
And I opted for a 6" pad instead of 4", plus extra rebar in the footing and steel mesh in the pad. There's so much concrete it took 2 full trucks to deliver it.
It's not goin nowhere....
To put it into perspective - those are 6x6 posts, 6x12 beams.
I put together a picture post on it as it was being built here
Be sure to compare good ole' stick built. Long story short, I went with a pole-built carpot, 24x26x15 (15 high for loading/unloading inside) for $7800. The guys that built mine likely won't come to Orygun, but check around.
The price ended up going higher, but only because of county mandated changes. I wasn't planning on a concrete pad. That ran me another $4k.
Looking to take a small road trip, and would like to head a little south to the Oregon Cascades.
I like going to Sol Duc Hot Springs here in WA, is there something similar in north/central Oregon? Can be boondock or full hookup, doesn't matter. Just need a big enough space to take off the camper if I want to.
You guys are missing the major fact that the OP is talking about a 2007 model. The 2012 and newer ones are way wider, over-the-rail design.
Nope, you're right, you brought up a good point. EC had different owners back then, different designs, and yes, the older ones are lower and floor is in between the bed rails. That should make for slightly lighter, but more importantly, lower COG.
So ya, pretty much what everyone said is accurate. I have a WA DOT scale very close to my house I go to quite regularly. I have all the weights of my truck empty, my former AF1150 and AF1140. And yes, not only does the scale say this EC is heavier by a full ton, so does the "butt-o-meter" going down the road. I can feel it. Unless they've re-calibrated the scale in between my stops there, those numbers should be accurate.
Is it scary or a PITA to drive, no, not at all. It just takes a little getting used to. Can I drive it like my Convertible Corvette? No... I get about 11-12mpg with just the TC, 10-10.5 with my flatbed and Jeep on it.
Can your Chevy handle it? Excluding all the Ford vs. Chevy arguments/jokes, I can't say how it will like it, I've never owned a Chevy. But ABSOLUTE be prepared to drop $500 on a Roadmaster rear anti-sway bar. HUGE difference over the stock one, and consider another $500 to upgrade your front. I actually like driving mine.
I do have 6 batteries, but I do NOT have a generator. My AF1150 had 4 batteries PLUS generator. So from that perspective, it's an arguable wash.
Would I go back to my AF1150? No way. NOTHING at ALL wrong with it, great product, just no comparison in space. I LOVE the sofa, 75 gallons of fresh water, and the very roomy bathroom.
Somebody had asked for a comparison between the AF1150 and the EC1160, and I think I was the only one that owned both, back to back, so I wrote this up---
My EC1160 vs. AF1150 comparison
If you have any questions, fire away.
Where is this EC you're thinking about? I'm south of Seattle a ways, but if it's in my neck of the woods maybe I could inspect it for you.
I'm considering it.. but (and please don't shoot me), I had an absolutely horrible experience last time I went there.
The place was so packed that I couldn't squeeze into the full-service site I had booked. Opening my slide meant hitting the RV next to me, so I had to move. Also, this was the last stop on a long road trip I had planned and the tanks you don't want full were, and the tank you do want full was empty. Since I booked a full-service site, my trip plan was to dump/fill once I got there.
They moved me to a non-full hookup site, which of course caused the expected problem. The staff was extremely unapologetic, bordering on rude. The spot they they stuck me in was also a convenient short cut for the whole park to get to the water, so people were constantly cutting through my site. It was clear it was privately owned and not state owned --- cram as many people in as possible.
I swear, I'm not trying to rain on the parade, I'm only saying this as a forewarning/my past experience. I am considering it despite my last trip there.
Did you re-seal all the screw heads on the skylight in question, not just the skylight-to-roof seam? That's a very common thing to have leak.
And remember - water can run along the dammest things before it shows up inside.... Just because the skylight is the closest culprit, doesn't automatically mean that's it.
So... Something I thought I'd never do. Bag my truck. Now, granted, my camper is one heavy SOB, 7,250lbs on a nearby DOT scale, but I have F-550 suspension and even with this thing being top heavier than Dolly Parton, it sits level back-to-front when loaded.
A good friend of mine traded in his truck, and yanked the entire air system off before he took it in. He left the bags on with just a air-chuck input(so they're still somewhat usable) but took off the entire air system and controller. The other day, he just gave it all to me.
So I got everything BUT the bags. Having never considered baggin my truck, I never looked into it. My truck does have a slight lean to the drivers side where the slide, batteries, and water tank are all mounted (my only complaint about the design of my TC). The controller has independent left/right level adjustments to take care of that.
So, all that being said, What's a good bag?
I would NOT say AF is lighter though...one thing AF is not know for is lightweight...
Go look at both...they are very nice campers.
I've owned both. I had an AF 1140, 1150 and now my 2012 EC 1160. I had my 1140 pre-Silver Fox (all wood), and my 1150 was a 2012 Silver Fox (Aluminum/wood composite). Had both for about 7-ish years. I'm on my first year with my EC.
I went with the EC only for two reasons -
* AF doesn't have any model with a sofa. You camp in a TC long enough, you'll understand why a sofa is soooo nice to have.
* Price - I got a used 2012 EC for a price I just couldn't refuse.
Here would be my comparison, as un-biased as I can be----
* Build quality - Both are very good. EC wins, barely. I've done a lot of mods and upgrades to all of them, build quality I'd have to say is about a dead heat, with one exception--the filon on the bottom of the bunk tends to delam on the AF's. Myself, and numerous others have had issues with it.
* Weight - AF wins hands down. My AF 1150 completely wet weighed 5,280lbs. My EC is over 7,200lbs MINUS water (On the same DOT scale by my house). And that can't be explained away just because it is a double slide.
* Insulation - AF wins. I go through more propane on my EC. My AF did have double pane windows though, the EC does not.
* Ease of lining up to load - EC wins. Why should they even be different? The AF has the "double step" in it's floor. Basement is on the very bottom, then steps up for the floor of the TC, then steps up again for the sites. That second step where the actual floor of the TC is caused me a lot of trouble getting past the bed rails.
* Ease of actually loading - AF wins. Had Rieco Titan jacks on the AF, Happijac's on the EC. The Crappijacs are rated fully a 1/4ton each per corner LESS on a camper that weighs 1 FULL TON more. They audibly strain when loading or unloading, and if not PERFECTLY balanced, engage the wratcheting safety. Real PITA. This is my next upgrade - swap them out for Rieco's.
* Customer service - dead heat. I have the same dealer that is the dealer for both, and when I called the factory for questions, both were great to deal with.
* Space - no comparison, EC. And not just because of the double slide. The EC the floor is OVER the bedrails, 96 inches. The AF, the floor is tucked below the bedrails, 60". Down right cavernous in the EC.
* Storage - EC wins, even over the AF1140. AF1150 was horrible outside, no one large storage area for things like bbq, Dish Tailgater, etc. The AF 1140 does have that one good-size side storage, but that's still less than half the size of the EC's basement storage.
My final comment-- AF hasn't changed thier designs in over a decade. My old '04 1140 looked the EXACT same as a brand new 2014, no change in floor plan, just colors and other minor things. IMHO, they need a couple new, revolutionary designs, another double slide (like the limited production AF1160) or even a triple slide. They haven't matured with the rest of the market.
One thing you need to be extremely cautious of when putting ANY air mattress in an RV---
Long ago I had an air mattress in an older TC I had. I HATED having an air mattress.
* You have to remember to air it down completely if you're going over any mountain passes. If you don't it will pop.
* You need to carry a spare air mattress in case it gets a leak you can't find...or... pops because you forgot to air it down going over a mountain pass.
* You have to let air in/out to adjust firmness every time you go somewhere because you're camping at different elevations.
* I had a Sleep Number bed once (in my house) - I'll never own another one. It got a leak and Sleep Number's customer service was horrible. It never got replaced even after repeated calls, thier warranty was basically worthless.