Here are two pdfs from the wa st dot. These have good examples of what is considered overweight per say. WIth this in mind, note none of the examples are RV's. If you really look over the how the laws are enforced, you will see a majority of you will never be over weight!
Still trying to find link that shows you can not be jailed per say for being overweight.......
As I understand the weight laws, one can not be jailed per say for being overweight.
That is potentially not true. When you are overweight by a small portion (cant remember the amount) it is an infraction-a fine. However if you are over the infraction amount, it becomes a misdemeanor which can absolutely get you booked into jail and in the process handcuffed. Officer discretion and department policy would likely have much to do with whether or not that actually occurred.
Everything I have read shows that keeping commerce moving, keeping rigs under the road design limits is the goal. One Has 8 hrs to move thing around on the rig to get under axle limits etc. IF one cannot,then you pay the TAX, for the damage you will do to the road, and continue on your way.
Many drivers get overload tickets daily depending upon circumstances, company they drive for gives them a CC to pay for fine, and off they go to destination.
I am sure there are some very obtuse overload situations where one can get put in jail for being overweight, that is NOT the intent of the law.
We have other issues that will get use in more trouble than a weight law.
Min lrC load rating, that would be a 6ply. 10Ply/LR E frankly would be way the heck more than you need. 10ply tires at 60 lbs vs an equal sized 8 ply at 60 lbs, do NOT handle a load any better, worst or otherwise, from my experience. Now if you want to disCUSS a load at 80 lbs vs the max 65 on a D rated tire, with a LOAD that is needed for the E rated tire.....now I will say there is a difference. Under like a typical 15 series truck is at, not worth the extra $$$$$$
WIth that in mind, Cooper and Toyo are at my top of the list, Michiblows the bottom, UNLESS you have the need for a 225-70-19.5, then the XDE M+S or new version there of in an LR G is a nice traction tire. Otherwise, not a fan.
Unless you end up in Hazard county dealing with Sheriff Pee Coaltrain or how ever his name is said......then all bets are off also.
Come on Marty... Sheriff Rosco P. Coltrane is an institution!
Having a brain phart on the name. Thank you for correcting me!
The other I was thinking was the Jackie Gleason sheriff in "Smokey and the Bandit" or ilk like them.........
Mornin' Marty - 06Fargo thinks opposite of what you thought he thinks...or thought ... :)
Poor Grit would have to deal with Mr Winston, back gate guard dog.......He has teh BIGGEST tongue in the Salish Sea. Will like him to death over the next year or so. LOOOOONG slow painful death it will be. Not sure I want to put folks thru that.
If any of you have had to deal with a King Charles Cavalier, you'll know exactly how they are......lolol
" If a person hasn't actually studied the law then please quit giving their opinion or popping off with what they think because they simply don't know and it just spreads erroneous information."
Perfectly valid point....and I wish all of the armchair lawyers on here who are not admitted to practice would quit pontificating on what will or won't happen in a civil lawsuit and what factors will or won't be alleged as causation for the accident.
I personally do not believe the OP was asking about what will happen in a civil suit. THAT court has a LOT of gray from a who can be convicted. ie think about OJ Simpson, not guilty in legal court, guilty in civil court!
From a true legal standpoint, ie an LEO/CVEO as Wadcutter is, they have black and white rules/laws to follow. Some like myself, and others, have to deal with these laws daily. We know and understand them. Would I last a minute in a civil court, probably not a second. Many of those types of attorneys throw stuff on the wall, like spaghetti noodles, what noodles stick, that is what they go after!
As the OP has asked, "has anyone had an overweight ticket in an RV" reality is NO! and probably never will. Unless you end up in Hazard county dealing with Sheriff Pee Coaltrain or how ever his name is said......then all bets are off also.
By the way folks.......
"IF" you trailer wheels WILL NOT lock up at a stop while you hold the brake controller hard on, and you try to take off, and the wheels turn, or do not drag locked up if you have that much power, you will get a ticket for having a failed brake system on the trailer! This is a moving infraction, so it will follow your license, hit you insurance wise, and cost you $$.
You should also get the same effect with the brake controller wire out of the trailer. If not, you have a failed braking system. Batteries under 11.6V, failed braking system if they operate the brakes if the trailer comes loose! If the trailer does not slow and stop the truck and trailer from 20 mph, again, in the field failed braking system...........
These latter issues are ones you ALL should be more worried about than if you are under a manufacture weight rating etc.
As far as OP goes, his base springs are at 6400 lbs, with airbags, probably closer to 8000 lbs capacity, tires are there. Question would be, IF the truck has rear brakes that meet the same capacity. Reality is, if he has a legal over the gvw of the truck license, he can stop doing a field test of the WHOLE rig in less than IIRC 25' from 20 mph or something of that nature, he will not have a failed braking system among other things that could put him out of commission......
If grit dogs tries my back gate, he'll be sorry!
I have not even got a ticket towing driving commercial from an overweight standpoint at 150% of manufacture gvwr......so 06fargo really thinks an RV'r that does not have to cross scales for any reason shape or form is going to get a ticket for being overweight! lolol
I used to tow my equipment trailer with my 96 K3500 with a whopping 12500 gcwr, and the trailer weighed 12500 lb, 10500-10700 on the axels, and 1500-1700 in hitchwt depending upon what was on, or distributed on the trailer!
Question though, you mention the brakes not stopping the trailer, that hasn't been the case in my experience, maybe just good brakes??
Nor has it been my experience either.
With five trailers on the road with 3500 tandems......6000 lb triaxles....7000 lb triaxle Rockwell American and Dexter axles with electric drum brakes on enclosed and GN flatdeck trailers they all would smoke the tires at full loads if I had the gain turned up enough.
I would advise anyone that their trailers brakes won't stop the trailer to get them fixed.
Even my 11200 lb 5er with 5200 lb tandems will smoke all four tires.
All the above was after I reworked the brake wiring which I did on every new or used trailer I put in service.
Put disc brakes on those same trailers and tell me what you think.
Smoking tires does not equate to stopping, that what ABS is all about
I don't have to. The brakes I have have enough power to take them beyond the traction limits of the tires.
I never said I set my brakes to smoke the tires and left them there. I said they can. I set them just to the point before locking up. This is where everyone should set them.
Again, if your trailer or anybody else's won't stop your vehicle with the hand brake I would advise you to get them fixed. Mine stops just fine both just fine with drum brakes.
My dual 6k equipment trailer will stop my 12k met dump truck. Including when it is loaded with the box at and Trackhoe. 11k on trailer axles....something is.wrong with lantleys setup. With that said. Rigs with disk brakes generally are.nicer.than drums.
Back when I did a little landscaping I had a 2005 Chevy 2500HD. 2WD, regular cab, gas engine so payload was close to 4000, better than many 350/3500 trucks. I had a 1000 lb dump insert installed, and I think my worst overload was hauling about 1 1/2 pallets of wet sod. I'm guessing the total load was close to 6000 lbs. Truck handled it fine with Timbrens installed but I was a little concerned with tires. I stayed off the freeway. :)
My 2000 equal came out of a quarry.a year ago in the like 11000 lb range. Vortec 350 did fine power wise. ReAr 245 tires were a bit squished......only.shy.of 4000 lb over legal paid for.tag of 8000 lbs.
Federal regs now allow 24k on rear axle of mh and transit bus. Technically you cant go farther than a mile from the interstate. My mh is 21,300 on rear axle before i hook a trlr to it. In a year of travels as far east as East Texas and as far north As Fairbanks Ak, not once have i been stopped or questioned. This Ca link referances the 24k for mh.
That is a new one to me. With that said, there are a few variants to basic what you can and can not do. Tank truck and trailers are allowed a few lbs more than std, at least locally meaning Wa st.
As you also note. You.are not supposed to go more than a mile fr freeway. These types of you can, but really.can not rules are around. Like triples are not allowed in Wa st, but you can bring into Wa stat x miles to remove third trailer at reasonably closest stop, warehouse etc. Iirc <5 miles.....
Unfortunately, most info is still being related on a.commercial basis example......BUT, with this in mind, as wadcutter noted, I have to in the past, weight laws protect the road. That is the engineer spec you must follow, and get enforced on, not the.engineer that designs and specs your vehicle. Follow and think how these examples may effect you, in most cases not, you.realize, you have no.worries from an over weight.perspective.
I'm a long way off from trading it in just yet. First I have to win over the wife and convince her that this is justified. Next I have to find a deal and finally I need to know how to change my user handle. I'm ok adding Former to the front.
contact your local rv.net murderator, and they might know somebodys uncle or BIL or sister or some such thing that can change your handle if need be.........
are you all done talking out of your stinky end yet?
I'm not so much worried about getting a fine - I do think it's crazy that they don't publicize the actual abilities of the truck.
edit - Would adding air bags actually increase the payload? Would there be a way to document how much it increased?
Airbags, overload springs etc will keep the load more level. Techniquely, from an leo standpoint, they will not let you carry more wt, that is the design limit of lbs per inch of tire width on the road, to a max of 20K per single, and 34K per tandem.
Most of us as the other thread shows, only have issues if using the trucks commercially. Even then, personal use has to follow some of the commercial rules per say. I doubt, ANY RV'r will get a literal over weight ticket if they follow proper licensing laws etc.
So who has actually had a citation or fine for an overweight RV rig?
NO ONE! as NO ONE is near the FBL limit to worry about getting a ticket! If someone does get a ticket, it is more than likely they were way under paid for license max weight. From an RV point of view, and if someone loads to manufacture ratings or under, the chance of getting a ticket if paid for license is over this amount, and really really really slim! more than likely, not happening from THIS forums standpoint.
Some in the type A and C MH area, if they load to a 25K gawr, they will be over by upwards of 5K lbs, and be in a world of hurt, as I doubt too many of them can lose 5K lbs off that axel in the 8 hr max timeframe they have to lose the weight! This is the ONLY scenario I can think of that will get an RV'r in trouble.
Anything in Washington st over 10k, be it gvw or gcw has to.follow truck speed limit max of 60 mph anywhere! Chains required over 10k where appropriate, whether you have a 4wd vehicle pulling trailer, or single dually 4we rig. Based on PAID for licenses,
Just because you are an RV per say, does not mean you can get away with out following some of the.commercial style rules.
I did not know that.
I'm not questioning the validity of your statement, just curious where I can ready that info - what's the RCW that makes the statement about following the posted "truck" speed limit when the vehicle is over 10k?
I do not know the rcw off the top of my head, BUT talking to many cveo, leo's from the SP, they have ALL told me this is true from the over 10K total. Most of what I have learned is from a couple of classes taught by CVEO's.
The chain up requirements is from a form I got many years ago via the SP office in North Bend Wa, when I was starting to pull my TT to snoqualmie summit. I have seen similar forms in Or, Id, and CA.
IIRC rcw 45.xxxxx is the weight law info.
If you are in an RV you are not subject to these federal and state weight laws.
..unless you are towing or driving an RV for commercial purposes, like being an RV transporter... but then you'd have a DOT number and placard on your truck from the transport company... and in that scenario you are supposed to stop at every truck scale you encounter, if it's open.
In the case when i was doing it, I only had to put a higher weight rating on my vehicle registration for WA State, which is where the truck was licensed. I think I had it registered for 22k.
(someone in an earlier posted mentioned increasing the weight classification of your vehicle registration)
Actually, in Wa st, EVEN if pulling for personal pleasure, one must stay under the FBL's, have a high enough paid for license. Follow the truck speed limit of 60 mph even if it is legal to 70 for cars, assuming over 10K in any way shape or form. Need to chain up when signs say to do so over 10K. This will also include those under 10K, but paid for license is over 10K, or the max sum of truck and trailer can be over 10K........You do not need to go to scales, make up a log book etc. BUT, from a weight perspective and a few other things, yes one must follow the same rules regs etc.
Once in awhile?!?!?!?!
When I was landscaping more than I am now, it was daily per the door sticker, but UNDER paid for gvw, under federal bridge laws, so legal per the man in the shack and van with scales in it.
Carry insurance accordingly, away I went!