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RE: gross CCC????????????
Hi,
CCC is the cargo carrying capacity AFTER full fuel , potable water ,propane and 4 (usually) passengers at 154 lbs) see: http://www.your-rv-lifestyle.com/vehicle-weight.html
In the example given the CCC is 3190 - water (105 +10 water heater x 8.35)960 - propane (4.23 x 50) 212 –gas (75x 6.25)469- passengers (4 x 154) 616=933lbs
DON”T buy it.
Worse is the problem that one of the axles (and tires)is probably overweight with just the above.
There is no safety here
In 2008 NHTSA changed the requirements somewhat. They now use OCCC (occupant and cargo carrying capacity.) It starts with the coach with full fuel only. The water and people are part of the cargo. The advantage here is only for the manufacturers as it makes it APPEAR that there is more cargo capacity. See http://www.motorvehicleregs.com/the_vehicle_reg_blog/2007/12/index.html
The changes do require that the dealer re-weighs and placards a coach that they have modified .
Bottom line – WEIGH ALL AXLES ON ANY COACH BEFORE YOU BUY- Full water and fuel-then add at least 616 lbs to the front axle.
Ross
Completely agree-- weigh before purchase.
But whether it has sufficient CCC really depends on how you will use it AND how well distributed the capacity is (i.e. need to weigh it).
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 04:50pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: gross CCC????????????
here is the specs on this motorhome. check out the last line, that is what i don't understand, the GROSS CCC
Specifications for 39B Model Siena
Load Limitations
Gross Combined Weight Rating (GCWR).........26,000 lbs.
Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) Front.........8,500 lbs.
Gross Axle Weight Rating (GAWR) Rear..........14,500 lbs.
Hitch Rating (HR).............................................5,000lbs.
Hitch- Maximum Tongue Weight (MTW)..........500 lbs.
Gross Towed Weight (GTW)............................5,000 lbs.
Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR)..............22,000 lbs.
Unloaded Vehicle Weight (UVW).....................18,810 lbs.
Gross Cargo Carrying Capacity.........................3,190 lbs.
From this, I would conclude that you have 3,190 pounds for the following items (all these count "against" the 3,190 pounds): fuel, propane, potable water, people, your gear, any gray or black water and tongue weight of any trailer. This ASSUMES wight distribution that makes all 3,190 pounds available.
I just went to RVIA's website, but was unable to find any definitions to clear it up.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 04:06pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: gross CCC????????????
The CCC varies from mfr to mfr, on to what is included in say the unloaded vehicle weight or dry weight. Typically CCC has to include the weight of propane, water - fresh - grey - black tanks, gear, food and supplies, options, people, which are usually not included in the dry weight.
Incorrect.
There is an RVIA agreed definition for CCC.
You are correct that there is some "fudging" in using "base vehicle" vs "specific unit as built". And sometimes this can be stretched beyond reasonable recognition-- like weighing on a Ford chassis and building all coaches on a mandatory option of the heavier Workhorse chassis.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 03:55pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: gross CCC????????????
No such term as "Gross" CCC.
CCC has a specific definition: It is carrying capacity in pounds measured AFTER loading with full fuel, potable water, propane and 154 pounds times the number of sleeping positions.
It also does not address how usable the capacity is. For example, virtually all the capacity on some tag axle coaches is on the tag axle. There is no storage over the tag axle, so it is not usable capacity.
If a manufacturer uses a term such as "Gross CCC" you will need to get their definition for it and I would do it in writing. Too many salesmen don't know and might be flexible with the answer.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 03:42pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: leveling procedure?
Yes, most dump before deploying hydrauic levelers.
BUT, different RV manufactures have different sequences for dumping, leveling and slide extension.
Best advice is to follow what YOUR coch maker recommends.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 09:46am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Heat exchanger
A marine heat exchanger, a pump and a check valve will do this.
Connect the exchanger to the engine. Don't know your engine, you'll have to figure that out.
Plump the pump from the hot water side through the heat exchanger and the check valve to the cold side so it goes back into the W/H.
Fair warning, if the heat exchanger ever leaks internally, you will be putting antifreeze into your (otherwise) clean water system.
You should be able to buy a heat exchanger on EBAY.
C.
But, when the engine is off and you want hot water, you would have to have a valve that you close off so water does not circulate through this additional loop.
Again, it can be done, but just isn't practical.
Real answer is least expensive way to do it correctly is to replace the water heater tank with a motor-aid tank. It will then be plumbed into the hose going from engine to dash heater. And yes, it will reduce available heat to the dash area.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 08:54am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Air systems
Alcohol in the air system is only needed if your air system does not have an air dryer.
If the dryer is functioning, there is no moisture in the air system to worry about.
That is why it is a good idea on a monthly basis to open all the air tank drain valves to check for water or oil. The presence of either indicates a need for air dryer service.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 07:40am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Heat exchanger
The coolant circuit on motor-aid water heater is INSIDE the water heater itself. No practical way to achieve this as an after-market modification.
And for a heat exchanger (engine coolant to potable-hot water) to be functional outside the water heater, the water in the system would have to be circulating (like in a stick home with instant on hot water). Again, not practical in an RV.
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wolfe10
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12/30/09 07:36am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Air Suspension problems!
Check the ride height valves-- you have three, two on one axle and one on the other. One could be stuck or have its linkage loose or off.
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wolfe10
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12/29/09 07:37pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: CC Inspire Engine/transmission choice?
First, the Caterpillar transmissions were designed in Peoria, IL at their world HQ.
They are built in Peoria where the BIG Caterpillar equipment is built.
Caterpillar has been building automatic transmissions for many, many decades.
With that said, the only advantage of a Cat engine/Cat transmission over a Cat engine/Allison transmission or Cummins engine/Allison transmission is that you have ONLY ONE COMPUTER controlling power. No translation is needed between engine and transmission computers. This makes the drivetrain a little faster (actual tests) and slightly better MPG (again, actual tests).
However, to put it in perspective, Cat/Allison, Cummins/Allison or Cat/Cat are all bomb-proof combinations.
I also called my Caterpillar contact-- he looked up a series of CX28 serial numbers (Caterpillar documents are all sorted by serial numbers). None showed any service letters or bulletins about anything-- including clutches.
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wolfe10
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12/28/09 04:46pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Caterpiller Paint Codes
Shallow pans are stamped steel.
Deep pans are aluminum.
Which do you have???
And any Caterpillar dealer can glance under and tell you which of the two Caterpillar yellows you have and sell you a can.
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wolfe10
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12/28/09 04:32pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: What temp does eng oil get with block heater?
OK, maybe I'm using the wrong terminology here, but my heater heats the oil. I suppose I could crawl under there and feel the oil pan to see if it is working. And, yes Dennis, it is good to see that everyone is awake :)! Thanks for the inputs guys!
Have you verified that the block heater heats the oil?
The vast majority are in the block (not pan) and heat the coolant.
Coolant temperature should reflect block heater operation (if it reads that far below operating temperature).
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wolfe10
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12/27/09 07:12pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Dash tranny "red" light flashed on once
I don't know for sure if the transmission codes that flash on the Allison shift panel come directly from the Allison computer, but I would think that the shift panel would be directly connected to the Allison computer. Fred
Yes, the diagnostic codes you read with the Allison Shift Pad ARE stored and read (and cleared) from the Allison ECU. It is clearly the best source for issues with transmission.
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wolfe10
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12/26/09 03:29pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Cold starting a Detroit 466 Cu Inch installed in a
Before even considering ether/starting fluid, you need to read the owners manual for the engine.
I am not familiar with the DD, but most modern diesels have intake manifold heaters.
Ether will cause an explosion if it hits red a hot intake manifold heater.
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wolfe10
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12/26/09 02:18pm |
Tech Issues
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RE: Dash tranny "red" light flashed on once
Start by pulling out your Allison Owners Manual.
Indeed diagnostic codes start with Oil Level, but then scroll into the diagnostic codes themselves.
What codes are showing?
And, if you end up needing service on your Allison and are still in the Houston area, Stewart and Stevenson is the authorized Allison dealer for that area and do a lot of service work on RV's. Excellent reputation. They are just inside loop 610 east on I-10.
http://www.ssss.com/products%20and%20services/Transmissions/
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wolfe10
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12/26/09 02:14pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: WATER PUMP WILL NOT STOP RUNNING
Are you sure you are not out of water?
Any air coming out of the faucets?
Air in the pump will cause both continuous running and low pressure.
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wolfe10
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12/26/09 02:05pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Eagle Pass to Saltillo
Paul,
Living in Texas, we have not driven the NW part of Mexico. The furthest northwest we have driven is Zac up through Chihuahua to the village of Mata Ortiz (surperb pottery) and then up to Palomas.
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wolfe10
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12/26/09 07:14am |
RVing in Mexico and South America
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RE: Warning on Monaco and Holiday Rambler RV
Yes, Do you think 2001 Monaco Diplomat are included on this recall.. Thanks cltisdale@gmail.com
Read my post (page 4 of this thread).
Crawl under and verify that you do not have the square tube trailing arms.
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wolfe10
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12/26/09 07:09am |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: Family Motor Coach Association
http://www.fmca.com/index.php/join-family-motor-coach-association/why-join-fmca
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wolfe10
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12/25/09 01:12pm |
Class A Motorhomes
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RE: American Insurance with Mexico Coverage
We also have Progressive which covers all but liability in Mexico.
So when we head south all we shop for/get is liability coverage.
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wolfe10
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12/25/09 12:17pm |
RVing in Mexico and South America
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