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Posted: 06/10/12 06:13pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Evidence of life at NHTSA:

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LRTDI > At some point, NHTSA will have to reach an decision.

Something may be imminent. A link I had for search of EA11003 documents, which formerly returned a couple of dozen hits, is suddenly returning nothing. The former PE, now an EA, may be about to become whatever phase is next (which might be: close with no action, recall, or something else).

A translation of a large dump of responsive documents, including answers to pointed NHTSA questions, was due from VW on 01 June. Obviously, the public did not see anything on that date.

There's pretty much no upside for VW in having any part of those documents made public. If they can get away will not submitting, they will. If they can stall or submit late, they will. If they can submit on paper, they will. If they have to submit PDF, and can get away with egregious redaction, they will.

So don't drum your fingers. They'll get sore.



http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3832188&postcount=3557



Evidence is consistent with a last minute settlement of the case just before VW was due to give more documents to NHTSA.

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NewsW wrote:

Evidence of life at NHTSA:

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LRTDI > At some point, NHTSA will have to reach an decision.

Something may be imminent. A link I had for search of EA11003 documents, which formerly returned a couple of dozen hits, is suddenly returning nothing. The former PE, now an EA, may be about to become whatever phase is next (which might be: close with no action, recall, or something else).

A translation of a large dump of responsive documents, including answers to pointed NHTSA questions, was due from VW on 01 June. Obviously, the public did not see anything on that date.

There's pretty much no upside for VW in having any part of those documents made public. If they can get away will not submitting, they will. If they can stall or submit late, they will. If they can submit on paper, they will. If they have to submit PDF, and can get away with egregious redaction, they will.

So don't drum your fingers. They'll get sore.



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Evidence is consistent with a last minute settlement of the case just before VW was due to give more documents to NHTSA.



What I do know for certain, despite Bosch revising that HPFP that runs in Vw TDI's from 2009 to 2012 three times to "make the design more robust for US quality fuel" the last revision we are aware of was in October of 2010, ALL year model pumps continue to have complete failures with complete destruction of the whole fuel system and everything in it. Either Bosch or VW doesn't care about safety or reliability. This is in the piezo injection models for Jettas, jetta sportswagens and Golfs, and probably will include the 2013 Beetle TDI model also.

How long VW will warranty all these failed pumps to keep NHTSA off their backs to avoid anything of a recall with VW's name on it remains to be seen. VW is a real stinker about previous******designs in their motors, like chain driven oil pump failures, pumpe dusse cam failures, sun roof drain failures, dual mass flywheel failures, and on and on and on.





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Posted: 06/19/12 05:11am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

This does not apply to ric's case, but the bigger question for a buyer of a used truck with the CP4

Let's say it has a bit of warranty left and the CP4 failed right before or shortly after warranty expiration.

Assume the current owner never misused it, misfueled with gasoline.

How is the current owner to know if the previous owner used substandard or unapproved biofuels?

Or did maintenance properly?

Under existing Ford warranty guidelines, one of the evidence of bad fuel is rust inside the CP4 visible upon disassembly.

If there is rust and/or other evidence of unapproved biofuels or contamination, warranty is gone.


Look at this case on the TDI Forum:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?t=355079


Why do I think the owner traded it in knowing something?

or this:

http://forums.tdiclub.com/showthread.php?s=56fdc8edb534f203eae2358ada907a02&t=340787&page=2


The bottom line is CP4 (and even earlier generations) of pumps and injection systems are just not tolerant of contaminants.


That in and of itself, would deter me from buying a late model diesel until the industry figures out what to do.

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Unconfirmed (and BMW may be wiggling in denial)...

Is BMW pulling out of the US diesel market?

http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1072173_triple-turbo-bmw-m-performance-diesels-arrive-but-not-for-u-s

There seem to be no plans to bring in a 2013 diesel... the 3 series one is gone.

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Posted: 07/01/12 09:42am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

VW ask for extension to respond to NHTSA!


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Volkswagen indicated that each of the packets will contain between 50-80 documents:
• Packet 13-003 / 13-010 / 13-011 / 13-012 / 13-013
• ETA @ NHTSA: June 29, 2012
• Packet 13021 / 13024 / 13026 / 13028 / 13033 / 13037
• ETA @ NHTSA: July 20, 2012
• Packet 13022 / 13025 / 13029 / 13030 / 13034 / 13036 / 13039 / 13043
• ETA @ NHTSA: August 3, 2012
• Packet 13023 / 13027 / 13031 / 13032 / 13035 / 13038 / 13040 / 13041 / 13042
• ETA @ NHTSA: August 17, 2012



http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3853005&postcount=3618



The dog ate their homework.



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VW's response after first extension


I have a feeling, with all that paperwork... there's got to be a hell of a lot on HPFP incidents to generate that kind and level of paperwork and CYA douchebaggery in house at VW. Just the in house overhead for VW with all these failures generated by Bosch has to be a huge financial drain on VW... they should send Bosch the bill for it. Keep in mind, Bosch engineers, produces, sells and warranties the whole fuel system... subcontracted by VW.














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VW ask for extension to respond to NHTSA!


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Volkswagen indicated that each of the packets will contain between 50-80 documents:
• Packet 13-003 / 13-010 / 13-011 / 13-012 / 13-013
• ETA @ NHTSA: June 29, 2012
• Packet 13021 / 13024 / 13026 / 13028 / 13033 / 13037
• ETA @ NHTSA: July 20, 2012
• Packet 13022 / 13025 / 13029 / 13030 / 13034 / 13036 / 13039 / 13043
• ETA @ NHTSA: August 3, 2012
• Packet 13023 / 13027 / 13031 / 13032 / 13035 / 13038 / 13040 / 13041 / 13042
• ETA @ NHTSA: August 17, 2012



http://forums.tdiclub.com/showpost.php?p=3853005&postcount=3618



The dog ate their homework.



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NewsW wrote:

Is BMW pulling out of the US diesel market?


Not sure is this is true or not but I have been seeing a lot of TV Commercials here showing the "New" BMW DIESEL SUV.


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How to inhibit discovery by VW.

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Once upon a time, VW got mugged by a certain ex GM fella, who took with him reams and reams of GM proprietary documents and decamped for VW.

GM sued, and won, and $100 million in damages to GM was paid.


VW is not very good at playing the legal game.

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Some interesting data on sales volume vs........well as mandated biodiesel blend states.

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