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Posted: 05/24/12 01:14pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Snake Oil Warning.

There are now hucksters coming out of the woodwork with assorted "fixes" for this problem.

At the present time, I know of no validated and proven fix for the CP 4 problems.

The only known "fix" is the redesigned pump --- and I will wait until the end of the year before I conclude if that pump fixes the issues.

Furthermore, it is my longstanding opinion that no additives of any kind except those that are ENDORSED IN WRITING by the OEM (Ford, GM, VW, etc.) and SOLD by them under their own Brand, should be used.

Use of 3rd party "cures" or "fixes", especially additives will almost certainly be legitimate grounds for denial of warranty.

Ditto for use of approved additives improperly (e.g. overdosing).


Beware of anyone coming around claiming that their 3rd party additive or their gadget solves the CP4's problems.

If that is the claim --- get it in writing from the manufacturer of the additive AND get an OK in writing from Ford or GM or VW to use it.

Or you have no one to blame but yourself when the CP4 fails on you.

And no one to blame when they refuse to warrant it.

The last thing we need at this stage is to add in more unknowns.

* This post was edited 05/24/12 01:30pm by NewsW *

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If I was BG, I would walk away from this.


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#40Fan wrote:

If I was BG, I would walk away from this.


Who is "BG" that you reference?





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Posted: 05/24/12 09:37pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

AFAIK, GM do not currently recommend the use of any additives with their Duramax.

Ford do market Ford / Motorcraft additives, but not specifically for the 6.7 diesel.

Until Ford clarifies what Motorcraft additives are proper and appropriate and how to use it, the best deal is to use none.


All evidence on this thread points to the problem not being simple -- not something that can be easily fixed with an off-the-shelf solution.

The CP4 Redesign include changing the bore and stroke of the pump.

* This post was edited 05/24/12 09:56pm by NewsW *

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Posted: 05/24/12 10:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Ford do not specifically approve their own Motorcraft Cetane Boost for the 6.7 in the online documentation at Fordparts.com

Don't know if the Ford 6.7 manuals says otherwise, but as far as I am concerned, there is no Ford approved fuel additive for the 6.7

* This post was edited 05/24/12 10:09pm by NewsW *

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#40Fan wrote:

If I was BG, I would walk away from this.


Who is "BG" that you reference?

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Posted: 05/25/12 07:48am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

If anyone comes across a product or service that claims to fix the CP4 problems.

Please post the legally binding claims made by the product (in writing), the warranty statement and terms, including the state and method of adjudication, the financial statements of the issuing company, etc.

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There is one known additive that can minimize the problem for a brief period of time if the whole bottle was used at one time.

http://thesinosaudiblog.files.wordpress.com/2010/11/walker.jpg

Apply entire bottle in one sitting.

Wait 30 minutes.

Problem will be solved for at least a few hours.

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NewsW wrote:

If anyone comes across a product or service that claims to fix the CP4 problems.

Please post the legally binding claims made by the product (in writing), the warranty statement and terms, including the state and method of adjudication, the financial statements of the issuing company, etc.


Found one a while ago. It is called "trade the truck in for a gasser". It is absolutely guaranteed one hundred percent effective.


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Posted: 05/28/12 06:24am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Dear VW, Ford, GM, BMW, and other users of the CP4 pump:

We now know enough about the different versions of the CP4 to know the early models,before the current one, is trouble.

While it is still premature to know if the new DLC coated on one side, redesigned Czech made part will work fine --- until this summer pass --- we know enough about the old pumps to start thinking of acting sooner rather than later.

Rather than a mandatory recall, why not have the customers of Bosch gang up on Bosch on this issue?

A very modest concession that will help everyone is to lower the cost of the new part to a modest level like $200 --- or roughly what it cost GM, Ford, VW, etc. to buy the part at manufacturing level.

This new price would subtly --- via the miracles of the internet --- encourage customers worried about the issue to go ahead, and at a very modest cost, pay for the replacement with the upgraded part themselves.

As the old part will not necessarily have failed --- there is probably no damage to the fuel system that necessitates the replacement of the entire fuel system.

Everyone wins.

Owners / Operators of the CP4 are happy to have a modest priced solution.

GM / VW / Ford is not burdened with the cost of entire fuel system replacements or determining warrantability.

Bosch gets a solution for many customers at a modest price.

Why not?

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