Have a 2012 fuzion 35' on the owners info says its Shipping Weight 12,065 lbs
My truck is a 2010 dodge 3500 crew cab 8'bed auto 373 rear end.
On my truck door its says
GAWR Front 5,500 Rear 9,350 GVWR 12,200
I went to the cat scales sun with the trailer and truck.
Trailer had maybe 500 lbs of tools and kitchen stuff. And also had about 80 gal of water in the tank. And Fuel Tanks had about 20 gal of fuel in them.
On the ticket it reads
Steer axle 5,060 lbs
Drive axle 6,500 lbs
Trailer axle 10,580 lbs
Gross weight 22,140 lbs.
I was told my truck GCVW is 21,000 lbs
So I still have about 2,000 lbs to 2,500 lbs more to add in the toy hauler bikes, tools, food, gear and such.
Am I going to be over weight.
I see these trucks with this setup all the time at the tracks. I want to tow safe but the numbers are not adding up to me.
Looks to me like you are under all your ratings except the GCWR. You are 1,140lbs over your GCWR of 21,000lbs. Depending on which rating you want to believe in, you may or may not have any room for more stuff.
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According to your numbers you are. I would question the steer axle weight because my F-350 dually with my 15,500 Toy hauler on it has a steer weight of only 4400#, rear axle 6,500 and trailer 13,000. You can leave the 80 gal of water off until you get there but you will still be pushing it IF the 21,000 number is right. I think it may be a little low. You didn't say if it's a SWD or dually.
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Billieg2 wrote: According to your numbers you are. I would question the steer axle weight because my F-350 dually with my 15,500 Toy hauler on it has a steer weight of only 4400#, rear axle 6,500 and trailer 13,000. You can leave the 80 gal of water off until you get there but you will still be pushing it IF the 21,000 number is right. I think it may be a little low. You didn't say if it's a SWD or dually.
Its a dually.
How do you get the steer axles numbers down ?
Would raising the 5th wheel hitch up or down lower the steer axles numbers. Or when I add the bikes and stuff to the garage will it make a diff.
This is my 1st 5th wheel so I hope not to ask any stupid questions.
Just want to be safe.
Ok Ron,
Here is what I found on a website about your truck:
GVWR (lbs.) 11,500
GCWR (lbs.) 24,500
Payload, as equipped (lbs.) 4,004
Tow capacity, as equipped (lbs.)13,000 (conventional)
16,800 (5th wheel/gooseneck)
So your Gross weight is 24,500 not 21,000 so it looks like you will be right at your limit but a little over on the truck GVWR when fully loaded.
After I loaded my Harley and desk in the garage it took off 350# on my front axle so get it all loaded up and see where you're at. Also, take that 640#'s of water off the front weight and you might be ok. Pack as much as you can in the garage.
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Going over the ratings won't instantly have the axle, vehicle, etc
fail like some folks think the 'Weight Police' are saying. PS...there
is no policing, as you can do whatever you wish. Just recommendations
and those types using 'Weight Police' as a derogatory way of disagreeing
If yes, then know that the OEMs must adhere to DOT/etc mandated specifications
for the class of vehicle it is listed under. Also, their ratings are
based on their internal studies for warranty. Sure there are pure
marketing changes to their listed specifications, but they know that
and bite the bullet knowing warranty costs will/maybe higher in order
to sell more against another OEM's 'better' specifications...
Commend you for going out and actually weighing your setup, axle by axle.
The only issue is that you do not know for sure what your GCWR is.
Typically it is the OEM listed TV 'curb' plus the OEM listed MTWR,
+/- a few hundred pounds or so. MTWR is 'Max Tow Weight Rating' of
your TV and note that it is not an absolute rating. Meaning that if you
over load your TV till the tires pop....does it mean you MTWR is still
whatever is listed in the TV's specifications.
Below your quote is a diagram made up for this type of question to
try and help folks see that the individual ratings play in concert
and that it is the bottom line rating that rules or trumps the other
ratings.
tileman wrote: Have a 2012 fuzion 35' on the owners info says its Shipping Weight 12,065 lbs
My truck is a 2010 dodge 3500 crew cab 8'bed auto 373 rear end.
On my truck door its says
GAWR Front 5,500 Rear 9,350 GVWR 12,200
I went to the cat scales sun with the trailer and truck.
Trailer had maybe 500 lbs of tools and kitchen stuff. And also had about 80 gal of water in the tank. And Fuel Tanks had about 20 gal of fuel in them.
On the ticket it reads
Steer axle 5,060 lbs
Drive axle 6,500 lbs
Trailer axle 10,580 lbs
Gross weight 22,140 lbs.
I was told my truck GCVW is 21,000 lbs
So I still have about 2,000 lbs to 2,500 lbs more to add in the toy hauler bikes, tools, food, gear and such.
Am I going to be over weight.
I see these trucks with this setup all the time at the tracks. I want to tow safe but the numbers are not adding up to me.
Thanks For any help.
Ron.
Since you are very rare person to have actually weighed your setup
axle by axle...it is just simple math to figure out where you are
in reference to 'your ratings'...then decide on your risk management
position (also known as gambling) Going over your ratings won't
instantly have the wheels fall off...things will just wear out sooner
An empty TV/Trailer setup will stop shorter than that same setup loaded
up to it's ratings or over...pure laws of physic's...all other variables
being equal
Good luck!
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Billieg2 wrote: According to your numbers you are. I would question the steer axle weight because my F-350 dually with my 15,500 Toy hauler on it has a steer weight of only 4400#, rear axle 6,500 and trailer 13,000. You can leave the 80 gal of water off until you get there but you will still be pushing it IF the 21,000 number is right. I think it may be a little low. You didn't say if it's a SWD or dually.
Its a dually.
How do you get the steer axles numbers down ?
Would raising the 5th wheel hitch up or down lower the steer axles numbers. Or when I add the bikes and stuff to the garage will it make a diff.
This is my 1st 5th wheel so I hope not to ask any stupid questions.
Just want to be safe.
Thanks Ron.
Only way to get the steer axle numbers down is to remove the engine Or lose weight yourself. I would strongly advise against suggesting your DW lose weight since she's probably in the front passenger seat.
Concur with other poster about traveling with less fresh water, provided you have a place to fill up once you get there. Other than that, you should be fine. Be careful about how much weight you put in the garage. If you take too much weight off the pin, that could affect handling while you're driving.
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How do you get the steer axles numbers down ?
Would raising the 5th wheel hitch up or down lower the steer axles numbers. Or when I add the bikes and stuff to the garage will it make a diff.
There is nothing wrong with your steer axle number. You are at ~5000lbs, and the rating is 5500lbs.
You want the steer axle to have AT LEAST as much weight as it does when the truck is empty, preferably more. More weight means more traction for the steering tires. That means better handling with the weight of the trailer behind you.
Very likely it will not change much with additional weight in the 5th wheel.
Does the rig feel unsafe to drive? Do you have ANY doubts while driving it? Are people taking the ditch when they see you coming down the road?
IMHO being over the gross combined weight rating is not an issue, but that's MY opinion. It just slows you down. As long as you are under the axle ratings for truck and trailer, and the brakes work, you are safe. Beyond that it's personal preference regarding performance.
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How do you get the steer axles numbers down ?
Would raising the 5th wheel hitch up or down lower the steer axles numbers. Or when I add the bikes and stuff to the garage will it make a diff.
There is nothing wrong with your steer axle number. You are at ~5000lbs, and the rating is 5500lbs.
You want the steer axle to have AT LEAST as much weight as it does when the truck is empty, preferably more. More weight means more traction for the steering tires. That means better handling with the weight of the trailer behind you.
Very likely it will not change much with additional weight in the 5th wheel.
Does the rig feel unsafe to drive? Do you have ANY doubts while driving it? Are people taking the ditch when they see you coming down the road?
IMHO being over the gross combined weight rating is not an issue, but that's MY opinion. It just slows you down. As long as you are under the axle ratings for truck and trailer, and the brakes work, you are safe. Beyond that it's personal preference regarding performance.
The truck and trailer feel fine took it out this weekend in town and on the Interstate. It slows down good no pulling or pushing or any sway.
I was thinking as long as I was under my axle ratings I would be good to go and I am under them. Maybe this week Ill load it with all the stuff we need for the motocross track and dump the out the water.
Was looking at the dodge 3500 with 410 they tow more and the only diff I see is the 410 rear end. Not like it has a bigger motor or frame.
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Or lose weight yourself. I would strongly advise against suggesting your DW lose weight since she's probably in the front passenger seat. 
