RedRocket204 wrote: The replies are truly laughable
What value did you just add?
After I drove in to Portland to drop off my TT, which takes approximately 1 1/2 hours each way, along with running a couple of errands and then driving back home while navigating the tourist congested roads, it was good to pop on the computer and have a good laugh. Personally, I find laughter valuable and you should too. You should re-read some of your posts.
Same question as before.
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Ford Man wrote: I say buy the one that you like, everyone has there own preference of brand. I can't stand the quality of a GM or Dodge even though they have good engines. So I drive Fords because they have Excellent Quality and a Great 6.7 PSD.
I respect that. Buy what you like, it's your money
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tomthyme wrote: Sorry folks, but IMO the 6.0 liter power stroke by Ford is an outstanding platform. Sadly, the EPA made Ford engineers add such garbage as an EGR valve which actually restricts air flow, thus combustion and performance. Most every failure in these engines have been linked to thus flaw. Once this valve is removed and the platform properly tuned and enhanced the engine will perform well at 500+ bhp and over 800bfp of torque....mine does (based on dyno tests). Further, the platform will run well into 200k miles with low maintenance. I have also tracked my fuel economy closely and with no load I get 17 pg, and fully loaded (16k) I average 10 mpg. My truck is a 2004 4wd 4door dually.
Check out a few sites on "how to bullet-proof the power stroke". You'll see what I mean.
I am told by my ford tech friends to avoid the 6.4l platform ... So it is either enhance the 6.0 or go for the 6.7l that came out in 2010.
Good Luck!
Where do you start with this mis- information
Bottom up
It's a 6.7L which came out in 2011.
I agree the 6.4L is worse than the 6.7 PSD and has more EPA stuff than it's big brother the 6 doh.
Maybe you can post those " Dyno tests" so we can all enjoy
Yes the 6.0 with a few thousand dollars in improvements can be made as reliable as the other two stock brands.
And finally the EPA sets standards to conform to. FORD needed to add your EGR. Not all brands needed it to conform to the standards back in 2004.
Outstanding platform.... in your words 200k miles.
Expect more pay less.
Thanks for the info and perspective. Always good to see folks standing up for what they believe - good show!
The 6.doh series... ahh. the 6.doh... apparently we are supposed to see these broke down on the side of the road ALL the time... They are ALWAYS blowing head gaskets, EGR's, HPOP, Injectors, (etc. etc. etc.)
I remember seeing ONE 6.0 in early 04 spewing white smoke, barely made it into the parking lot.. etc...
Other than that, I have never personally seen a 6.0 broke down. (just me personally)
thanks
Yeah, the way you read about them, you'd think 6.0's would be littering the side of the road and mechanics shops everywhere you go, odly enough this never seems to be the case.
Of course, there is that video of the Ford service dept. where they have Ford 6.4's being repaired, GASP!! Shock!!! Like we'd expect to see Chevy's being repaired at Ford Service?
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Thanks for the info and perspective. Always good to see folks standing up for what they believe - good show!
What they believe or what is fact?
Quote: Sorry folks, but IMO the 6.0 liter power stroke by Ford is an outstanding platform.
Here is what Ford's Director of Diesel Engineering has to say about your "outstanding platform."
Ford's Fascetti wrote: Fascetti, Ford's Director of Diesel Engineering, attested to the following: Ford has experienced unprecedented repair rates with the 6.0L engines. The 6.0 has had the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production. In fact, the 6.0L, which represents only 10% of Ford's total engine volume, accounts for approximately 80% of all of Ford's warranty spending on engines. Additionally, warranty spending on the 6.0L accounts for approximately 25% of Ford's overall warranty spending
"Largest rate ever experienced by Ford." Now I ask you; does that sound like an "outstanding platform" to you? Or do you think the Director of Diesel Engineering of Ford does not know what he is talking about? It has to be one or the other. Which is it?
Ford's Chris Bolen wrote: On July 22, 2005, Chris Bolen, Ford's Director of North America Powertrain Manufacturing, wrote, "in my 32 years at Ford I have not experienced such [negative] feedback regarding one of our products
Are you calling the head of Ford's North America Powertrain Manufacturing a liar? Uninformed? Let's hear it.
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Turtle n Peeps wrote: Thanks for the info and perspective. Always good to see folks standing up for what they believe - good show!
What they believe or what is fact?
Quote: Sorry folks, but IMO the 6.0 liter power stroke by Ford is an outstanding platform.
Here is what Ford's Director of Diesel Engineering has to say about your "outstanding platform."
Ford's Fascetti wrote: Fascetti, Ford's Director of Diesel Engineering, attested to the following: Ford has experienced unprecedented repair rates with the 6.0L engines. The 6.0 has had the largest R/1000 (repairs per thousand) rate ever experienced by Ford for an engine in widespread production. In fact, the 6.0L, which represents only 10% of Ford's total engine volume, accounts for approximately 80% of all of Ford's warranty spending on engines. Additionally, warranty spending on the 6.0L accounts for approximately 25% of Ford's overall warranty spending
"Largest rate ever experienced by Ford." Now I ask you; does that sound like an "outstanding platform" to you? Or do you think the Director of Diesel Engineering of Ford does not know what he is talking about? It has to be one or the other. Which is it?
Ford's Chris Bolen wrote: On July 22, 2005, Chris Bolen, Ford's Director of North America Powertrain Manufacturing, wrote, "in my 32 years at Ford I have not experienced such [negative] feedback regarding one of our products
Are you calling the head of Ford's North America Powertrain Manufacturing a liar? Uninformed? Let's hear it.
Cheers, drink up!
Well I would never call any major corporate spokesperson biased, and certainly not a liar. Nor would I pass judgement on those who are swayed to an opinion by simple words spoken by those on a biased payroll. Only experience can teach. But good job on the Internet research!
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Quote: Well I would never call any major corporate spokesperson biased, and certainly not a liar. Nor would I pass judgement on those who are swayed to an opinion by simple words spoken by those on a biased payroll. Only experience can teach. But good job on the Internet research!
Have fun kids!
Xoxo
Well, do you still think Ford's 6.0 is an "outstanding platform?"
If so, I guess some of Ford's top engineers disagree with you.
Should the good people of this forum believe you with you're outstanding platform comment or many, many, many of Ford's top engineers in their private subpoenaed emails that say the engine was junk? (Me paraphrasing)
And before all the blue bloods come out and say I'm bashing; lets get this straight right now: I'm not bashing anything, this is Ford's own private emails that say this about this engine; NOT ME. If you have a bone to pick, talk to them about what they think about their own product; or I should say about a product they put in one of their pickups.
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