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RE: J2807 SAE towing standards

Hey Mitch !!!...this just killed me...so funny and more so 'cuz so true... Not to say that GM and Dodge are innocent but Ford bends the rules more. Hypocrisy annoys me, people need to look into mirrors. Let me hold a mirror in front of your face. That is silly. Everyone knows that trolls do not have a reflection.
BenK 02/01/16 06:16pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

Ok
BenK 02/01/16 01:59pm Towing
RE: TV performance and elevation

A lot depends where they are in reference to their ratings and how they drive A great comment here and love it enough to use..."Some folks wouldn't even notice an earthquake if it was centered between their feet"... I notice it with any of my non-forced fed ICEs...plain and simple laws of physics Why climbers above some mountain elevations need to carry & use O2 breathing systems For climbers, average altitude sickness starts at around 8,000 feet and varies from person to person Ditto any ICE that is not forced fed
BenK 02/01/16 12:40pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

This is why I'll only advise on HOW2 figure it out yourself and say to decide if you (the OP, or whomever) whether you believe in the OEM ratings systems or not If not, then do whatever...but know that you have taken the OEMs off the hook for warranty (if any left) and the biggie: liability. You, the decision maker...AKA risk management decision...AKA gambling...now own that decision which has potential warranty and liability If yes, then gather 'your' ratings and learn how that system works... But...many come to these forums looking for confirmation that they have made the right decision and/or provide solace that they 'can do it'...because "they have been doing it without issues"... Am satiated by the PMs is get and even some emails (don't know how they got that, but think from way back when I did post it) that confirm that some out there are understanding how that system works. It is a wonder that all the OEMs provide such high levels of margins in their product and that many who ignore are consuming those margins. Even to that point...many don't know what 'consuming margin' means...
BenK 02/01/16 12:33pm Towing
RE: Help Understanding How Factories Detemine Truck Weights

Posted this in 2 truck forums, got several replies but haven't gotten an answer to how they determine that yellow sticker weight, so I thought I'd post here where all the experts reside. Help me understand..... How do they determine truck weights in addition to just putting it on a scale. They have a large data base that has every option specification listed and one item is it's weight Then the computer adds up all of the options and adds it to the curb weight. That is the shipping weight and the basis for the yellow label Must be accurate because it is the basis for payment to the shipper, who charges by weight vs distance (my guess) As told by a manager who retired from one of the US OEMs. He might comment on this. Keith? My '13 XLT Screw HD Eco came with the yellow sticker saying it has a 2172 payload capacity & it has a GVWR of 8200 lbs. According to the sticker, 2172 - 8200, the truck weighted 6028 lbs when it left the factory. I took it to the only scales within 130 miles (sand & gravel scales) right off the lot the same day. Full tank of gas (36gal) and me (220#) and no dealer added extras. The weights were front axle 3520, rear axle 2680, total was 6200 lbs. That's a 172 lbs difference. Now that only leaves 2000# of payload not 2172 the sticker says. ????? How did they determine that this truck only weighed 6028 lbs at the factory? Do they have a body that only weighs 150 lbs in there driving and only 19.5 gallons of gas? Cuz adding the other 70 lbs of body and 16.5 gallons of gas would add the other 172 lbs. Mystery to me. Milo
BenK 02/01/16 11:50am Tow Vehicles
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

Ben, For your diagram -- note that trailer GVW is not equal to trailer GAW as diagram implies. Trailer GVW, when not using WDH, is equal to trailer GAW plus tongue weight. Your diagram could lead someone to conclude, based on scale weight, that they are under trailer GVWR when they might be several hundred pounds over. Ron This is a tough one, as the diagram is about actual weights with notation or reference to the OEMs rating Since actual and knowing how a WD Hitch system works...by distributing weigh throughout the setup (trailer and TV)...is it really over the OEM GVWR when WD'd ???
BenK 02/01/16 10:24am Towing
RE: Help Understanding How Factories Detemine Truck Weights

Forgot to add...that the OEMs use a very special trailer for the tow ratings, MTWR Wish someone would repost that picture, as can not find it using the search function here The trailers are flat bed with no frontal above the TV. Weights placed to optimize tongue percentage and handling, etc
BenK 02/01/16 10:19am Tow Vehicles
RE: Help Understanding How Factories Detemine Truck Weights

This comes up all the time...and most who have not gone through this before...go away to not talk about this again...deny and argue...or some actually understand how this works-especially those who went out and actually weighed their TV Pure marketing with some reality sprinkled in...meaning how else can the OEMs do this and still be competitive with the public who believes the marketing data as gospel...AKA "King of the Hill" or "mine is bigger than yours" Reality, as how else can they provide a manageable level of rows/columns/etc Meaning if they listed every option on a row with a column for the various ratings. Like a row for 4x4 and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc Then a row for 4x4 & AC and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc Then a row for 4x4 & AC & power seats/windows/locks and columns for MTWR, Payload, GCWR, etc and so on, and so on, and so on...betcha that would be dozens of sheets and even more confusing than what we have now...where they define or put into context with the fine print This is my Suburban, as I've actually weighed it at a county weights and measure certified (their sticker for that year) to be accurate enough for commerce (sell by weight and charge money for that weight) That 5,250 Lb CURB is on the California DMV data base and is provided by GM, the OEM of my GMC Suburban. Against the VIN number. These Calif SMOG test reports are official state documents and are also legal documents that I'd use if I need to prove anything about the data on my SMOG test/registration/etc Have noodled what options I'd have to unbolt, cut out, etc in order to get my Suburban down to the listed 'curb'...There wouldn't be any carpet, sound insulation, 4x4, AC, automatic, etc, etc, etc "Test Weight" is the 'curb' weight, not the actual...again, have actually weighed it at a county weights and measure certified scale at my local garden center My Suburban GMT400/1996 was before the weight stickers on the the newer TVs door... So here are my numbers: 5,250 curb 8,600 GVWR 3,350 lb cargo/payload over curb My 2014 smog certificate...note that this is an official state document and the info supplied by each OEM for that VIN... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/EngineTranny%20AUTO/IMAG0089BWrdcd.jpg~original width=640mysub mysuburban mysubsmog mysmog http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/09270005_Sub_Dr_main_rm_VIN.jpg width=640 mysubGVWR mysubdoor mysubdoorlable doorlabel subdoorlable Mine weighs in around 7,200 at the local garden scales, county weights&measure certified, with me (180) and toolbox (+200) and misc stuff (+50) Also has full up option package, SLT, 4x4, big block, and over sized wheels and tires 8,600 minus 7,200 1,400 lbs cargo/payload All with a 6,000 RGAWR...that AAM rates at 10,000 GAWR. The 6K GAWR GM lists is around 2,000 more than most 'half ton' TVs Oh...also ordered the F60 option...which is the 1 ton front snow plow prep package My FGAWR is 4,250 and near most half ton's rear GAWR. And here is the glove box RPO code label listing every option that my Sub left the factory with...plus I've added lots of stuff...how many pages would the matrix listing each and each combo of options take to list MTWR, GCWR, etc... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/09270001_Sub_glv_bx_rmVIN.jpg width=640 mysubrpo suburbanrpo mysuburbanrpo {edit}...here is my 1980 Siliverado C10 Big Ten (1500HD of it's era) and note the 'curb' vs GVWR Ditto what would I have to unbolt/cut-out/etc to get it down to 'curb' http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/Canon12jan08002SmogTruck.jpg width=640 mytrucksmog mysilveradosmog trucksmog silveradosmog Actual weight at the dumps...me (180), nephew (180), bed cap (~250), over sized tires/wheels, tools, extra coolant, extra oil, etc, etc This scale also had the county weights and measure certified sticker http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/CIMG0021TruckCurbWeight.jpg width=640 mytruckweight truckweight silveradoweight truckdumpweight vs it's door ratings label http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/Towing/CIMG0061crp.jpg width=680 mytruckdoorlabel truckdoorlabel mytruckgvwr truckgvwr
BenK 02/01/16 09:50am Tow Vehicles
RE: J2807 SAE towing standards

Forgotten, or most likely don't understand the contract those brochures, web sites, etc represent to you, the public/buyer, by the OEM It is called 'fine print' and is either at the bottom of those charts/listings/etc or has a * or some such symbol that then is referenced somewhere else in their documentation That 'fine print' modifies or established the 'context' of that RATING AKA...weasel words by lawyers...
BenK 01/31/16 03:52pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

John, Know that those who dislike this topic of RATINGS, normally will use a derogatory to deflate my type of advice..."Weight Police" and note that there is no policing on these freebie forums and I gladly wear that moniker as I'll only provide information for the OPs to make their own decisions. Many different threads...mainly GCWR..."R" is not followed...nor advised by many...also 'ST' class tires...many, many advise to ignore and/or okay to go higher speed if they inflate it over the sidewall molded max speed rating Too common is: "you are good for it"..."I've been doing it for years with no problems"...etc, etc, etc I've asked if they knew with "R" represented...which is "RATING"...and even ask if they knew what 'RATING' meant... I no longer try to educate them directly and nor point them to a dictionary/website on that any more Why normally advise those asking to decide if they believe in the OEM ratings or not If not, then academic and just do whatever...but note that they have taken the OEMs (yes plural and many argue that point too) off the liability hook for both warranty (if there is any left) and liability...to assume it themselves If yes, then gather 'your' ratings numbers and learn how the OEM ratings system(s) work Normally post a diagram of a motorcycle (3 wheel) towing a trailer with notation showing GAW, GVW, etc...with a note that those are the actual and that they also have a rating...GAWR, GVWR, GCWR etc Whimsy to show that anything can tow and that anything can/does have a RATING Maybe not officially, as this 3 wheeled motorcycle looks homemade...if they took the rear axle from the junk yard...say VW Bug...it has a GAWR from VW...ditto the front wheel/tire...it's OEM has a 'RATING' to it...ditto the rear tires, ditto the trailer tires...etc, etc, etc http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/bentoy/Towing/HowmuchshouldItow.jpg~original width=640 howmnuchcanitow howmuchshoulditow
BenK 01/31/16 03:27pm Towing
RE: J2807 SAE towing standards

snip.... And they remove unessential stuff like center consoles and bumpers, just like most owners do in the real world. That is the 'curb'...AKA stripper model, that are used to derive their ratings Along with one 150lb driver, some fluids (some full up) and for towing the only option: "tow option" Why folks get hosed when they use the ratings out of context. Both the TV's "curb" and trailers "dry" Uncle Bill taught me that when was a teen...he only bought 3/4 ton base models (curb, stripper) that most OEMs no longer offer for sale but use them for ratings testing Press board door panels. Hand crank windows. Bare/painted sheetmetal floor with a rubber mat. Perforated, press board ceiling liner. No AC. No Automatic. No radio. Stock bench seats that were a pain, along with the suffering delivering to S San Jose in the summer heat... He did change and ordered the fleet side with wood flooring when he figured he could get more into that bed. Taught me that it had the highest payload and he regularly over loaded it with SS Kitchen stuff for restaurants. His business was custom SS Commercial Kitchens. Only a couple on this portal have admitted that they owned one of those 'curb' pickups. Our admin, Marty, is one of them... :B
BenK 01/31/16 12:27pm Tow Vehicles
RE: 2016 Nissan Titan XD Cummins Payload

What does AAM rate that axle that they supply Nissan? Mine is an AAM 10.5" dia ring gear. GM rates it 6,000 RGAWR...AAM rates it 10,000 RGAWR Also, read earlier that this one in the Nissan is about the same dia ring gear or larger than mine GM rates the 11.5" at about 7,000 RGAWR and AAM rates it at 11,000 GAWR, IIRC
BenK 01/31/16 10:39am Tow Vehicles
RE: F350 TPMS Problem

They are wireless, so radio freq stuff Reading this, finding that this series of posts has to do with winter, snow and am think possibility that de-icing salts are interfering with the signal to the in-wheel-well receiver some how Just a thought...PS...I do NOT like these things...
BenK 01/31/16 10:37am Tow Vehicles
RE: Need help calculating tow setup

Thank you for coming back and post your experience... Many lurkers read this kind and am hopeful they will learn Hope all goes well for you and family Again, many thanks for this valuable post
BenK 01/31/16 09:51am Towing
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

Such timing...here is one thread where the OP went as many here recommend and did NOT use their ratings...now they are looking at getting another TV...but these come up all the time...just this thread and the hot linked thread below are right next to each other Their original TV was a 2005 Duramax Dually and could not get their new toyhauler home without having to stop along the way to allow it to get out of limp mode... That OP is luck to have the resources to consider getting another TV, which might cost them thousands to tens of thousands more... I'll continue to recommend using the ratings as the basis, until they have a chance to actually weigh it... An assumption...with 4 small kids, think they had a crew and then wonder what options/after-market/etc stuff they also had in/on their TV... Topic: Need help calculating tow setup Thanks for all of the replies, after doing a bunch of research and coming up with the answer that the truck might be able to pull it, we went for it and purchased toy hauler. This may have seemed like a foolish choice but really several things that we read said that the truck could do it and of course the dealer said it would be just fine! ( yeah if I had actually checked back on this post we may not have made that decision, but things are extremely hectic right now as we prepare to move and I have four small children and I homeschool them) 10 miles down the road that transmission went into limp mode and it took us twice as long to get home, stopping several times to get the truck out of limp mode. So now we are in the process of looking for another truck! Live and learn!! Thanks again for all of their responses and sharing the information that we needed.
BenK 01/31/16 09:45am Towing
RE: 2016 Nissan Titan XD Cummins Payload

That is why the courts mandated TPMS (tire pressure monitor sensor...or is it system???) that so many have problems with now Court mandated because of the Ford Explorer and Firestone issue with too low a PSI listed on the Explorer labels/manual...and because Ford lowered the recommendation to appease their customers who wanted 'ride quality' over performance It took a few deaths before the government agencies took action. Before that, finger pointing between Firestone and Ford Don't remember if either OEM were fined or not...it took so long and the back and forth news articles Do remember so many comments from OEMs, agencies, etc that stated and all agreed that the public is ignorant about tire pressure...not good at checking them often enough, etc
BenK 01/30/16 02:07pm Tow Vehicles
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

Then how shall advisers here on this/these forums say to newbies or anyone who asks this type of question....use the 'dry' as basis to figure their setup/purchases? IMHO...being over weight won't have the wheels instantly fall off...but will sooner and dependent how much over the OEM's ratings...driving style...terrain, etc The biggie for me...is that the performance is lessened when over weight and again, dependent on how much over, driving style, terrain, etc...
BenK 01/30/16 09:35am Towing
RE: Why does unused cargo capacity of GVWR matter at all?

Not to go too far off-topic here. But could someone please help me understand this thought of 1000 lbs. or more of familys' stuff? Really? Unless we're talking about a golf cart, a full tank of freshwater, or something else out of the norm, I just don't see how our clothes, our food, and even our cooking items can even exceed 500 lbs.. Spot on Marty !!! This is just one person and have received many PM's and read of many, many who feel that they would never load more than a few hundred pounds... why IMHO, not silly suggesting that they use the GVWR as basis for their decision to purchase a trailer Have direct experience with buddies dad who decided to follow recommends on this forum and bought too much trailer for his Ford Highlander Key was several advisers here that said 'sure, no problem...been doing that for years with no problems'...'sure a Highlander can tow that trailer'...etc He was at that time elder who worked his butt off for decades as a orchard owner. To finally sell it for a few million after taxes to finally live his dream of visiting buddies along Calif Central Valley To almost wreck the setup and now still has the same trailer, but with a larger TV that is rated to tow that 'actual weight' trailer...which is at it's GVWR
BenK 01/29/16 06:21pm Towing
RE: 2015 RAM Integrated Brake Controller.

Oh...read of it years ago, but confirmed by buddy after her second class on HOW2 manage her sedan... Scared the daylights out of her...her seat belts has the explosive pre-tensioners that are set off at the same time the air bag is set off Both employ explosives and now she thinks there is a bomb on her seat belt. Told her to ask the instructor and she did...but the guy only knew what was in his instructors book...just that Mercedes uses small explosives in their seat belt pre-tensioner system For those who don't know what the seat belt pre-tensioner system is... Seat belts work best when really snug and folks normally don't tighten them enough. So the OEMs has these systems to tighten them even more during an accident and are tied in with the steering wheel air bag safety system computers Now back to this thread...wonder how the IBC is tied into the computer system's emergency/accident software algorithms...steering wheel air bag, side curtain air bags...does the rear seats have air bags now?
BenK 01/29/16 10:38am Towing
RE: 2015 RAM Integrated Brake Controller.

snip.... In a panic stop situation, and I mean by that a TRUE panic stop situation, which should be EXTREMELY rare, you should reach down and hit those trailer brakes before you step on the truck brakes. I know this takes concentration, but it is what every big rig driver knows to do to keep that trailer straight. Those who don't do this often end up jack-knifed or worse. My 2014 Ram 2500 has the same brake controller as the '15 and I feel it works as it should. I do NOT have to do that, as with my P3 and TV brake pedal switch...it does that for me when I just touch the TV brake pedal...the brake light switch sets before the MC rod is moved Once the P3 tells the trailer brakes to turn on with the preset boost level...the accelerometer takes over and will continue to tell the trailer to brake Then when my foot moves further down to then touch the TV MC Piston to then develop MC PSI (this is when these MC PSI sensed, highly integrated brake controls will 'START' to tell the trailer brakes to turn on)...the TV will then join in braking...which will then tell the accelerometer that there is even more deceleration...to then have the P3 send more if it hasn't topped out at 12VDC As for 'highly integrated'...EVERYTHING on/in the TV's computer systems are tied in...and...too many times by software coders (not necessarily an engineer) who know little to nothing about towing These are the sub-systems that I can think of that are tied to the computing system(s) of any of today's TV's...heck vehicles..as a buddy just bought a Mercedes and had to take classes to learn HOW2 deal with the +100 computers of her C class ABSTraction ControlTorque ControlTow-HaulSway ControlPower ModeShift Points Can even ask if the AWD/4x4/etc are tied into this...betcha a Costco Dog that it is...
BenK 01/29/16 10:13am Towing
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