Are any of the 3 heavy duty trucks not capable? You're obviously a Real Man. And an idiot. I bought my heavy duty truck based on how pretty it is. I will buy my next heavy duty truck based on how pretty it is. The cool thing-it's my money, so I can do that.
Dismiss everything as equal and call me an idiot. Brilliant.
Just bought a 2013 Ram 2500 6.7 cc/lb. Love it! Didn't even consider anything else.
That's just narrow minded and silly.
How so? I think Fords and Chevys are ugly, and the Laramie Longhorn interior is by far my favorite.. I am not one of those close minded "I only drive brand x" truck guys, make something I like, and I'll buy it. Please explain to me how I'm being silly.
Do I have to explain why only considering one brand of truck is not narrow minded? Or maybe that companies and technology are moving forward, and the best product is not always the one that we have tunnel vision on? I don't buy a heavy duty truck based on how pretty it is.
How exactly would you buy another brand, if you "didn't even consider anything else"?
Considering their appalling attitude toward anyone with a problem, I will run four different brands of 10-year-old Chinese tires before I run Michelins!
AHA. So you have a bone to pick, and figure dissing the product because you are disgruntled adds to the discussion?
Any fool can mistreat anything, and cause it's early demise. I think it is assumed that we are all not fools on this forum, and that those looking for some real world knowledge on which tires work well will be able to glean through the posts, and tell opinions from experiences.
I ran Michelins, as I stated, on my 1 ton that had lots of heavy, hard city use at near GVW, and they were exceptional in many ways. Thing is, I have neither bias, nor grudge for or against any tire corporation.
I'm surprised they didn't rot off the rims.
Honestly...I wouldn't WANT a tire capable of 80,000 miles the way I use a truck, because it would have to be rock-hard, riding like granite and having little or no grip. My last set of Treadwrights had a bit less than half tread with 25K...which is about right for the others I have run, which generally went 45-50K.
??? What a ridiculous post! I also ran Michelin LTX M/S's on my work 1-ton. I had them for 65000miles and they still had acceptable tread for one more winter. They were definitely not "rock hard" tread. (Do some research and you will find out they had one of the best traction ratings, in the most conditions, when tested independently.) And they showed no signs of drying out in the 4 years I had them.
What they did have was a tall, slightly squirmy tread, that was quite heavily siped. Everything about that tire was exceptional. I only got them because the company was paying, as they are expensive.
Only Michelins I ever owned, but a truly great tire.
I love how people talk about how great the 7.3 was! I know more than a few diesel techs that put their kids through school working on the 7.3 turds. Maybe the repairs are cheaper, but they are more numerous especially for an engine that seemingly doesn't make enough power to break itself!
The 6.7 is not 100% trouble free with trouble rates less than or equal to its competition. There are a vocal few that would have you believe that it is a time bomb. I don't pay any more attention to somebody with nothing but praise than I do those with nothing but bad to say. The truth is somewhere in the middle.
Agree 100% with this on the 7.3PSD. My father in law has owned 5 of those over the years. Numerous repairs required on all. Not major ones, but that engine was all about mileage!
According to C.R. magazine, the Ford 6.7 gets the best mileage of the diesels by a fairly wide margin.
2012 F350 Lariat with 6.7 PSD.
Daily driver with 40,000 miles. Only issue so far is a leaky main radiator tank. This seems to be a common problem with all Fords. Covered under warranty.
Common problem? I follow a number of Ford forums, this is the first I've heard of it. Maybe there was a bad batch, on one model of truck. But to suggest it's common is a HUGE stretch.
Air mattresses are chilly in an HTT.
We used to always elevate the mattress during the day to dry the condensation. Our solution was found with a proper 10" pillow top mattress. Comfortable, warm, and no more condensation.
Instead of drafty, "hearing every neighbor sneeze", cold wet canvas you'll have the security and warmth of proper walls!
You're not going to miss that Roo starting with your first night in your new Salem! Congratulations and have fun!
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Strange post for the HTT forum?
Anyone who doesn't feel that the compromises related to HTT's aren't rewarded in other ways really shouldn't own one. I would miss the real camping feel of bunks, and the airy feel when boondocking. Perhaps not ALL campers are as delicate as you?
It is still explained intangibly by many with lots of caveats and what-if's when folks are suggesting "1/2 tons" can't pull their rating. Sure they can, but only if done correctly. That applies when using 100% ability of just about anything made. Not everything needs to be "dummy-proofed". Let the dummies figure things out the hard way.
Basically a truck comes with GAWR, and GCWR. Those are the 2 safety /capability numbers. Follow them and most trucks will be just fine. Sorry for triggering the next 10 hyperbolic posts from the bigger is better crowd......
So you really believe that your truck weighs exactly what the manufacturer states as a curb weight? Are you interested in some real estate perhaps? The OP is doing his due diligence and not relying on published data which has been found to be generic and has a variance depending on options.
My truck has the same "yellow sticker" number as Ford publishes, so it is not unheard of.
10K lbs is a looooot of weight. No matter what manufacturer says, I would not do it.
I am not experienced with some heavy towing, the most I did was about 7k with a heavy duty dodge ram and hemi, that was just right combo, maybe a 1k more would still do.
Something to consider, although the brand is different than what the OP is looking for, it is indicative of what a "1/2 ton" can comfortably do. Less frontal area than a TT though.
We just returned from another fun and relaxing trip with our 5.4L F250 towing our 8500~lb 5th wheel. At almost 75k miles, I still have no regrets. I get an honest 13-14.5mpg very easy city as a daily work truck, 16-17 flat interstate and 8.5~ towing. And no issues or special treatment needed. But, it steers like a river barge, rides like a square wheeled rickshaw and tags and insurance are higher. For 4k lbs, I have no doubt I'd be happy with an F150 with 5.0 or 3.5L Ecoboost.
Thanks for the HONEST assessment. I like my work 350, but it is what it is.
No one wants to tow any high walled RV with the base V6. It does not have enough torque at 2500rpm to tow like the optional V8 or the Ecoboost at 1700rpm. And there is no real world fuel savings choosing it over the V8 or Ecoboost.
No real world fuel saving over the Eco boost, if you pay the extra 2250$ that Ford charges us for it! And my trailer is 10'6" tall, and my 3.7 tows it at 2400rpm at 65mph. When pushed, it has 300hp, and power has NEVER ONCE been a limiting factor for the speed I want to go. The 3.7 has the flattest torque "curve" of the 3 engines mentioned BTW. I won't dispute for a moment that most would prefer the 5.0 (to the 3.7) while towing. Only get a 3.7 if you drive a lot of miles without a big trailer behind ya. I just bought my 2nd, and because it is completely adequate (not sure when 300hp became a questionable tow rig for 4K#!!), and downright quick. And gets fantastic mileage the rest of the time.
And I have access to a 5.0 F150 from work, it consistently gets 10-15% lower mileage than my 3.7, or the other 3.7 in the fleet lol.
And to the poster that says a 250 will do it better? I have a 350, and for a 4000# trailer, I would never pick that beast, ever. Not even in the mountains!
I tow with a measly 400# tongue weight, and 1580# payload. We keep a 700# ATV in the box with a few other odds and ends. We are usually around 100% GVW, truck handles it fine. GM trucks tend to wallow a bit more, but that is just a general observation from my last 3 HD GM work vehicles.
With careful loading, a so called half ton can work. With 2000# of payload, I think you will be fine. Personally, keeping under the GAWR's is more of a safety issue than GVWR.
Food for thought, while there is a lot of discussion of what is legal or not, whether LT or ST tires, what about the reaction and stopping time of traveling at 80 vs 65?
This I believe is a much more important point to make. Yes you can be a safe driver at 80 but it is always someone else or another variable that will interfere with that. With no one else on the road in ideal conditions (assuming you are alert, rested, not medicated, no wind, no cars and no blow outs) it can be done. But.... with any of these variables you are setting yourself up for disaster.
Plainly said, speed kills.
X10 Thank You! :C
Bad driving kills. Folks who are not proficient behind the wheel use speed as a blanket cause. (Like the folks that figure going slower is the cure from their lack of skid control skills in winter...)
I never fart around behind the wheel, and consequently I am paying more attention than most. Blaming speed leaves out the biggest factors which are lack of attentiveness and incorrect reaction.
Oh dear, I speed and tow over 65mph, I must be morally bankrupt and the after-life will reflect that.
....I'm closing in on 350000 accident free miles.
But I'm still a bad person.
You're not bad- you're miraculous...unless there's one too many zeros in that mileage number on that single set of tires! :W
I should have clarified, the tires only have around 12000 miles, I have been accident free for nearly 350K miles!
If all you plan on towing is 4000 lb, either of those engines ifs almost over kill. Standard 6 (not the ecoboost) would be plenty. Of course accent of the other three would be a dream. If you tow in the mountains you would love the way those turbos and the ecoboost handles high altitude towing
Yep. The 3.7 will handle either of those loads, no problem. I've noticed the 2013's are a little more rev-happy than the 2011's FYI.
I drove a 5.0 F150 HD the other day. That engine is SWEET.
And of course, the usual suspects appear to suggest a 250 or 350. What a joke, I daily drive a 350 (for the past 7 years), and unless you want one for the macho factor, they are not nearly as nice to drive (lousy handling, poorer braking, gas hogs...) as even an HD F150.
You could comfortable tow a 4000# trailer with a Nissan Frontier....
The sky is falling again. Oh dear.
I travel at 70 all the time, on my ST tires. I was in a big hurry a few years ago, towed at 75, all day in the middle of summer at 100% trailer GVW. Perhaps I am just a morally decrepit individual for doing so, but the that was 2 years ago, the tires are fine, and I'm closing in on 350000 accident free miles.
But I'm still a bad person.
I just hauled 2000lbs with an F150 HD. I can attest to its capacity, it was hardly noticeable. Funny our abused shop truck is still fine after 3 years and 70000 overloaded CITY miles. No sign whatsoever of the abused life it lives. It replaced an F250. Nobody missed or misses the "buckboard express".