Earlier posts were wrong about the timing. There were two recent phases of emission reductions -- one starting in 2007, then another in 2010. It was the second of these (affecting engines manufactured starting in 2010) that most engine manufacturers met with a DEF system. Because of the lag between engines, chassis, and coaches, you could easily have a 2010 or even some 2011's with a 2009 engine, thus no DEF.
thanks for the tip n the Thor full slide issue..did like the king bed..would fit us and the German Shepherds easily.
The problems with Thor units with full wall slides is limited to those with Schwintek electric drive, used on Palazzos and maybe some other lower-end models. It seems that the Schwintek mechanism (at least as originally used in those units) isn't up to handling the weight of a full-wall slide.
On the newer Tuscanys (like ours), they used Schwintek for the smaller slides, but a traditional hydraulic drive for the full-wall. We've had no problems with either, in 15 months and 12,000 miles.
Some don't like full-wall slides, but we love it, and have had one on our last two coaches. It really opens up the floor plan, and eliminates any bottleneck in the middle of the coach.
Also look at Motor Home Specialist (MHSRV.com) in Alvarado, TX, for both new and used. Right now, you could buy a 2015 Berkshire, a 2008 Ambassador, a 2011 Meridian, etc. -- the list goes on, for under your $175k budget.
Add some extra water before you flush. Should not only help the flush but also the solids in the tank. Our macerator works when we dump, but we always add extra water.
Adding more water is always helpful for the tank, but of course makes the black tank fill faster, and uses more fresh water (only matters if you're dry camping). Our rig (w/bath and a half) actually has two macerating toilets, of different kinds for some reason, but both add water as they flush (on the "big job" button anyway), so I don't think any extra would be needed. And as someone said, if you have only macerating toilets, there's no "pyramid" buildup in your black tank. I find that my tank drains more thoroughly (and rinses clear faster) than on my previous rig, and as a bonus, there's no paper left to get stuck on the sides of the tank or wherever.
You may also want to check if this Aqua Hot includes a basement heater.
Yes, it has at least one (maybe two, I don't recall) Aqua-Hot heat exchanger in the basement, more than sufficient to keep the tanks from freezing.
Navistar engines are no longer offered in diesel motorhomes since Navistar sold its interest to ASV and even returned to using Cummins...Sprinter of course uses Mercedes engines and that is fine...but there are many Navistar engine Monaco's and HR's left around the country with them..The issue now is that since Navistar bailed out by selling, that the leftovers have a black eye so to speak, and there was one post by someone not too long ago of a bad DPF that Navistar would not stand behind...as Navistar is supposed to stand behind it but many facilities have treated it as a total orphan not wanting to do any work since the warranty for the engine went from Navistar to ASV adding complexity to getting paid..Stick with Cummins or Mercedes you will be glad you did...It's not that Navistar makes a bad engine, but the politics of the buyout makes for grief between customer and facility if needed...That poor guy went thru hell before the manufacturer took the motorhome and would fix it..Hopefully that's all good now.
I guess I don't quite get this -- Navistar is still in business, and still makes engines -- they just sold their motorhome business (Monaco/Holiday Rambler) to ASV. So I could understand them no longer honoring motorhome warranties, but it seems like they would still honor the engine warranty, just as Cummins would for their engines.
We have a 2014 Tuscany with (presumably) the exact same system your Dad will be getting, and we love it. We're currently at the end of a weeklong trip in which we've used the AH to keep toasty at night, and for endless showers.
At campgrounds, we've just used the electric element at night, and it's been sufficient in relatively mild temperatures (50s at night). If it got a lot colder, we'd turn on the diesel burner. (Our AH only has one electric element, which is enough for light heating and basic hot water use, but not for showers or very cold nights.) We also have two heat pumps, which would also work for mild nights, but are much noisier.
For boondocking (or in our case, Wal-Mart stops between destinations) we run the diesel burner for heat. We seldom need to run the generator. Our house batteries and inverter are more than sufficient to handle our overnight needs, and recharge while driving. If our batteries are drawn down far enough, the AGS (automatic generator start) kicks in and takes care of the recharge. Note that this is in an all-electric coach, but as far as I can tell, the residential refrigerator is very efficient, so our overnight power needs are well-matched to our batteries and inverter. If we boondocked for multiple nights, I would run the generator long enough each day to recharge.
I can't say enough good things about Aqua-Hot, or hydronic heating systems in general. I do miss the Hurricane hydronic unit in my previous coach though, only because it had two electric heating elements and the "motor-aid"-type loop through the engine, which allowed us to heat the coach with waste heat from the engine while driving in the winter. Aqua-Hot has these features too, but not in the model I have now.
Others on this forum have called and e-mailed Maryland authorities to ask. The answer is always some version of "yes, that's what the sign (and the law) says, but we really don't want RVs to stop, and we won't come after you." I lived near one in Maryland for many years, drove by it countless times, and never stopped.
For what it's worth, our Tuscany has two Schwintek slides, and we've had it (and used it extensively) for a year with no problems. BUT --- it might be worth noting that the Schwinteks are on two shorter slides, while the full-wall slide is a traditional hydraulic drive. I echo the earlier comment that the problems I've heard about all involve full-wall slides with Schwintek drives. Thor may have solved the problem in the more recent units, by using more and/or stronger drive hardware, but the damage to the company's (and especially the Palazzo's) reputation is, sadly, already done.
I always felt that the tag-axle Phaetons were underpowered when they had the ISC, when everyone else seemed to be putting ISLs in their tag models. Apparently Tiffin heard that from enough people that they upped the engine to an ISL a few years ago. Remember that the 42-foot-plus tag axle model weighs about 10,000 lbs. more than the 40-footer with the same engine. Sure, it will get you there OK, but more engine is seldom a bad thing.
Bought from there last September. Did most of the negotiating by phone, then drove down there with a choice to make between several coaches we liked. I echo the comment about low-balling the trade -- if I'd had the time or patience to sell our old coach myself, I would have, but even with the low trade, their price was unbeatable. They buy a LOT of certain lines and manufacturers, so I'm sure they get awesome pricing from the factory.
Just don't do like us -- we drove there from the East Coast, and FORGOT TO BRING THE TITLE to the used coach. Fortunately, we remembered it halfway there, had a neighbor with a key to our house FedEx it there overnight, and it was waiting for us when we arrived.
Really nice and accommodating bunch of folks. They encourage you to stay as long as you want, and their very thorough service department will keep fixing things as long as you're there.
I think the complaint is that they refused to do anything about it.
I'd say that's a bit of an overstatement. They've actually fixed a lot of them, but the first round (and maybe more) of fixes didn't seem to do the trick. It's a manufacturer's nightmare, and admittedly they haven't done the best job of ending it. Thor would probably argue that they've followed the appropriate course of action, working with the component supplier (Schwintek, owned by Lippert, a major supplier throughout the RV industry), to come up with a solution. I think the problem has been their reluctance to open up their corporate wallet and fix all of the faulty units ASAP, reimbursing owners for their expense and trouble. They've done that in some cases, but not all, and the damage to their reputation has been significant.
But my point is, this has nothing to do with the quality of my Tuscany, their top product line. I still feel I got a great deal on a great coach, and it pi$$es me off that some folks are so gleefully trashing all Thor products, using this debacle as a major example.
If you do a search for Thor, slide out, you will likely find the posts you are looking for. Thor had a supplier design issue, and from what I understand would only send replacement parts if under warranty, but refused to address the design failure. This meant that meant that the problem was not ever fixed. You are stuck with the bad design. There are a ton of people who are stuck and not happy about it.
For what it's worth, the slideout issue appears to be limited to the Palazzo. My Tuscany also has two of the dreaded Schwintek electric slides, but they are shorter and have been no problem at all. My full-wall slide is hydraulic.
Thor makes a lot of different products under different brands, yet the entire corporation's reputation is getting trashed over a faulty component in one product line, supplied by someone else. That's the RV business, I guess.
I'm on my second Thor DP, and honestly don't understand the Thor-haters. Of course, most of them have never owned a Thor product, but a friend of a friend's brother-in-law had one, so they know all about them.
Listen, if you hang around this and other RV forums long enough, you'll hear horror stories about every brand, except maybe Newell, Foretravel, and the Prevost-based coaches. I think part of the problem is that Thor owns so many brands, and builds so many coaches, that there are bound to be more problems. I'll admit, though, that I'm sometimes amazed at the things that will slip through "quality control" at the factory. However, that is somewhat balanced by Thor's awesome factory service center in Elkhart, where they will happily go through your coach and make everything right, the way it should have been in the first place.
For my money, both our current Tuscany and our previous Mandalay gave us great "bang for the buck," in comparison to every other coach we looked at (including all the major DP lines under $500k or so). Happy Thor owner here, with no regrets.
Thanks all for the responses. Ordered through dealer yesterday, they will install baseplate and wiring kit third week of June. Still undecided about which way to go on toad brakes -- got new RV last fall, was waiting 'til now to decide after replacing toad. Any thoughts welcome ...
So we made a deal on a new 2014 Honda CR-V yesterday, picking it up tomorrow. (Trading in our well-used 2008 Jeep Liberty, which served as both toad and daily driver for 6 years.) We will use our existing Blue Ox Aventa towbar, so looking to have a baseplate installed on the CR-V ASAP.
My concern is this -- I just downloaded the Blue Ox installation instructions for the CR-V baseplate, and what caught my eye was that "the bumper is removed and not reinstalled." Apparently, the baseplate replaces the bumper? (I guess unlike "bumpers" of old, today the term seems to only refer to the metal framing behind the flexible plastic shroud that we see on the front of the vehicle.)
With all the emphasis on vehicle crash ratings, etc., the idea of throwing away a perfectly good bumper worries me a bit. Can anyone shed any light on this, and/or relieve my anxiety?
Do all Class A Diesels from 2010 on require DEF?
Well, mostly, sort of ... all diesel engines built starting 1/1/2010 had to meet new stricter emissions requirements, which most engine manufacturers met by using SCR, which uses DEF. But early 2010 models would have been built in 2009, presumably with non-DEF engines/exhaust systems. And reportedly, chassis manufacturers stockpiled pre-2010 engines, and RV builders stockpiled those chassis, so you could certainly have a 2010 coach, probably even some 2011s, that would have a pre-2010 engine, and thus not need DEF.
Don't fear DEF, though -- my new (2014) coach uses it, and gets better mileage than my 2008 that didn't. Cummins says using DEF to clean up the exhaust stream allows them to optimize engine performance better than in the EPA2007 engines that preceded these, so that mileage is better, likely enough so as to make up for the cost of the DEF, which is really minimal. (The initial equipment cost is higher though, so that's another matter.)
Not a big deal -- had one a few years ago. I don't recall any anesthetic, but I know I was awake for the whole thing, which lasted maybe a minute, tops. I also don't recall any pain the next time I "went," but then I've passed a few stones over the years, and they didn't really bother me either.
Relax, it's hardly the worst thing you'll have to experience as you get older ...
Most buses and motor homes have side to side rear height control valves and one front center height control valve ( tripod air suspension). The left rear air bag pumps to a maximum of 135 pounds in a sweeping right turn while air transfers through a one millimeter opening from the left front air bag to the right front air bag. An immediate left turn allows the motor home to shift its weight onto an empty right rear air bag. The dangerous situation is further increased by acceleration and the fact that the right front air bag greatly increases the height of the center of gravity.
These facts have been confirmed by a study of :-
Highway and Urban Air Suspension Accidents
1. Exiting long sweeping curves.
2. Negotiating the second curve of close alternate turn.
3. Negotiating a curve either during or immediately port torque application.
OK ... so you're the OP, and you appear to know the "why" to your near-rollover (well, more like a "tip-over" -- square items don't roll well, without a lot of speed). Others have given you the solution (go slower), unless there's actually something wrong with your coach, which as your quote above implies, would likely be in the side-to-side transfer of air pressure between the bags.