Drove in the snow in the mountains of WV from 1966 till about 1989 when I left....Gotten pretty good at it, but back in the late 60's and early 70's, family didn't have a 4 wheel drive, had a Buick Electra and a Pontiac Catalina...both rear wheel drives, GY snow tires....6" of snow isn't much, it was normally back in the 60's and 70's, 12 to 15" or more..you either went or you didn't..most times we did, when we couldn't we put on chains....My dad alway's bought GY tires, never an issue...Had rear wheel and front wheel drive cars in WV and VA and alway's got to where we needed to go, no big deal..it's what you get use to....again, I don't know about Chinese manufactured tires on MH's, Class C's, little trailers that tow "some stuff...what I know is 5th wheel and TT's with 6,000# and 7,000# axles, (using D, E or G rated tires, depending on weigh rating of the axles....lighter TTs and 5er's....probably not a problem, but move up in weight and last tire I would use would be a Chinese manufactured ST tire,....one exception , the Sailun S637, the company is ISO and TS certified, TS16969 accredited...They build quality into their manufacturing process, most of the others have no clue what quality is.....
Don't know about motor homes or little trailers...What IS known, is that D, E and some G weight rated China made ST tires are NOT a bargain when used on TT's or 5th wheels once they start getting used on TT's and more so with 5th wheels that have 6,000# and 7,000# weight rated axles....Not talking about MH's, or trailers used to haul about 6,000#, (which is really light when compared to a 16,000# 5th wheel). Not talking about using them on passenger cars, Biggest issue with them is normally when used on the above type TT's and 5er's...it's there for the research..
My 05 alumascape has metal siding and I think all of the Holiday Ramblers anround the end had medal siding but I may be mistaken.
Anyhow, medal won't delaminate.
I've seen quiet a few, including alumascapes with the fiberglass/filon siding..my 06 has aluminum framing, but skin isn't metal siding. Most from 06' up have the non-metal siding.
I have the 5er in my sig., an 06' HR 37RLQ Presidential Suite. Purchased it brand new in 07' and it's still in great shape and solid as a rock...It's a quality built unit and we still get compliments on how nice it looks.
Has a GVW of 16950, loaded to 16,200# last weight check...WE love it and plan on keeping it for a while:)
LOL ..... a thread about china made tires and now its hijacked with a bash the American union workers breaks out.
CKNSLS may have hijacked it, but that was where it started, no bashing here, though I don't belong to a union now, (I'm a supervisor), I was with the Teamsters for years and a Shop Stewart, then the OCAW and a Shop Stewart with them also when I was an hourly employee..
Don't know how the union got tossed into this by CKNSLS, guess it was his way of promoting China made ST tires, though I have no clue why he would throw that out there.:h
Many Chinese trailer tires have now added a Nylon cap like the "Mx" brand. There have not been ANY WIDESPREAD REPORTS of tires with the nylon cap failing with the possible exception of "Towmax" and those have been on heavy 5ers. The Carlisle brand complaints are non-existent since this change.
So-be careful before making a widespread claim-especially if it can be proven it's not TRUE ANYMORE.
Hate to rain on your parade, but the GY Marathon got your vaulted Nylon overlay years ago and most think one should only use it because GY will pay to repair one's tire damaged trailer. Chris
Chris-with all due respect we all know your on a one man campaign to discredit ST tires. Thank you for your contribution. While the jury may still be out on the Marathon-there has been a marked improvement by adding this overlay with other manufacturers.
Actually Chris isn't by himself on this "campaign to discredit ST tires", there are quite a few of us that feel the same way as Chris.
As far as Michelin tires being manufactured in china, "IF" they are TS16969 accredited and the same Quality goes into them as wherever else they are manufactured, then not a big deal...The Sailun tires, made in China, TS16969 accredited, meaning they understand and use quality processes in their manufacturing processes and can PROVE it with actual training records as well as the manufacturing process with Quality controls and checks in the manufacturing process....so, if the tires made in China offer this kind of quailty, then ok, but I know of only one or two tires manufactured in China that take pride in what they build...they don't have to answer for how bad their product is, others do...
Yes you can load each axle right to the gross weight rating... just don't move.
Once moving the max load for handling, braking, hitting bumps etc. is only rated to 5320 for the entire truck to maintain proper control and safe driving in a variety of conditions as determined by the OEM. Anything over the rating you are on your own.
Ok, So if I'm understanding this correctly. the GVWR is in consideration of the the tires that are also listed as from the factory, as listed on the door jamb sticker.
Keeping in mind the axle ratings (load) I could put, say an LT tire on the truck & increase my total GVWR, not to exceed the axle ratings, of course. correct ?
I would watch what I did with that...yes, you "could" increase how much your truck will carry, BUT you need to know what your rear axle rating is...you don't want to put a higher weight rated tire on the rear axle and find out that the weak link is now not the tires, but the axle...One does NOT want to exceed the rating on either axle weight rating. Part of the equation is the actual true weight rating on the axle and, for example, with my truck, it has a rear axle weight rating of 9750#, that's with 4 "E" rated tires aired to 65 psi....now each tire could be aired to 80 psi (max sidewall pressure) and I could carry more weight), though not necessarily legally...( but actual true rate rating of my axle per AAM is 11,800#)...
sometimes it's best to get the "right truck" for the towing job...even if it means one may have to go to another truck to get it done without having to worry about the "what if's".
Regarding TV weight ratings.
My truck axles have a GAWR rating of 3000# front & 3166# rear, that's a combined total of 6,166#
Yet, the truck GVWR is rated @ 5320#
Why is there a difference ?
as stated, not just the axles...also tires figure in all this equation...As far as I know, it's like that on every truck that I'm aware of....lower GVWR than the sum of the FAWR and RAWR.
My FAWR is 6,000#, the rear is 9750#, which equals 15,750#, but GVWR on my truck is 14,000#...It is what it is....RAWR is covered by the tires you are running....and yes, you could put a tire on with a higher weight rating, BUT....you need to make sure of how much weight your rear axle can handle, or your weak leak could end up being the axle and not the tires....
ON EDIT:..Semper fi Marine, thanks for your service to our country:)
Yesterday, we had a rare Saturday with nothing to do. So off we go to hit 4 different RV dealers to look at new 2015 front living room 5th wheel models. Folks, I gotta tell ya: After driving close to 350 miles and visiting 4 different RV dealers in 3 states, every new front living room model we looked at disappointed us. It's been well over 10 years since we seriously shopped for a new camper and I guess things have changed...or maybe we've changed. None of the models we looked at had what we call the "WOW" factor when we walked into them. They were all nice, but we've already got nice. We were very disappointed in the Jayco Pinnacle. It looked like Jayco ran down to the local lumber liquidator and finished out the 5'er we saw with some builders job site left over's. I guess today's "WOW" 5'ers push the mid $100K+ price point and we're not going there.
The upside of the day was when we got home. Our soon to be eleven year old beloved 5'er, AKA, "THE PREZ" was still sitting there in our RV driveway waiting for us, all shined up and ready to head out. We decided to have a late supper in "The Prez" in our "Camp Driveway" then spent the night in her. We spent 2 years beginning in mid 2002, shopping for "The Prez" and I guess the effort has paid off. Even after eleven years, we can't find a new 5'er we like enough to justify the buy when compared to our eleven year old, "The Prez". Wonder if she'll hold together for another eleven years???:B It's looking we'll be finding out!!!
I'm just sayin.
Happy camping!!! See y'all down the road!!!:)
Hey Crickeysog..The wife and I found the same thing...The 5er in my sig has also been dupped, "the Prez"....It's just 2 years newer than yours, but solid as a rock and still looks great...both Carrier AC's still work, all the dual pane windows still have zero issues, no leaks or anything like that.....fireplace, furnace, 4 door fridge, everything works great:)..We've looked at a lot of new one's, but like you, feel like we have a pretty doggone good unit also and until we see something just as well built with a floor plan we can live with and dual pane windows and sliding doors closing off the livingroom and on and on....we'll stick with "the Prez" also.....Guess we'll find out how long they'll last, huh:B
Hauler found three pawpaws at sand stone falls,will eat the last one today.
Hey, ate them as a kid...Use to camp right at the falls before it got all "fancy and went to a national park".....some great smallmouth, walleye and channel cat fishing in around the falls...That part of New River is to be respected....quite a few people over the years, got caught up in swift water and went over the falls and when that happens, they normally drown.
Be careful out there....there is some awesome fishing below the dam if New River isn't up...If only a gate or two open on the dam, fish below the spill way....been some doggone nice fish caught in there..
Hauler 64 degrees At bluestone state park, rain this morning. Surprise the mifi on sprint is working,so have some internet.Replacing the bridge across the bluestone river had to detour across the mountain.
That's the way I come....from I77, get off at the Athens exit.....last time I was up there, still had the old bridge open...the new bridge beside of it is going up quickly..you see where they're taking the side of the mountain out to make a straight lane through there, son, that was a job...We're heading up Thursday after work...Greenbriar River is at 2.17'...it's really low...3' would be what I consider normal for fishing.....hope your have a good time.
Had to work today, will work tomorrow and Sunday, but will get this room cleaned up and I'll try to have a fresh pot of coffee on for y'all in the morning.....Someone else going to have buy the cookies or doughnuts....won't have time..
.............maybe a coat of paint on that back wall, clean the carpet...yeah.....hey, there's an echo in here when no one is around.......
have a great weekend y'all...it's pouring the rain here right now and temp is 70..
I would like to thank everyone for their input on the topic of tires. Due to my tire size (225/75R/15) I discovered that availability was fairly limited. I did check on Michelins & Bridgestones but they are not available in this size.
I ended up ordering the Maxxis tires from Discount Tire. Due to the empty weight of the new 5th wheel that I will be buying, I wanted something that had a better weight load rating. The Maxxis ST's are a 10 ply tire which should be more than adequate to carry my rig which has an empty weight of approx. 7600 lbs. In order to get into larger tires that would mean new rims and I'm not prepared to tackle that extra expense at this time. That will be a project that goes on my "to do" list of future enhancements to this (new to me) 5'er. Happy trails to everyone.
Maxxis will work fine...As long as you are putting the same weight rating tire on that came off, shouldn't be an issue, even if you load the unit.
Sorry for the confusion and I was out of town after I posted. I'm looking for a better ride from the chucking I get with the slider hitch on the truck and the factory pin box on the trailer. I don't need the slider capability anymore and was thinking of replacing it with a better hitch hoping that might get me a better ride.
However, I'm now wondering if I would be better off replacing the standard rigid pin box on the trailer first, with a better one if I can't afford to replace both right now. I hope this is a better explanation.
It was....Don't know what slider you have, but I kept mine even when I went to a long bed truck, it was a Reese 16k slider, until I moved to a heavier 5er...What hitch do you have? Notice you have a Grand Design 5er...is it a short or extended pin box?
Nobody reminded anyone that the ST tire has a getter load carrying capacity that the same size LT. SO, if you decided to go LT than you need to bump up the size of tire and usually will mean new rims. and maybe then there would not be clearance?
Not necessarily true....If one has 6,000# rated axles and put's an "E" rated LT tire on, it has a capacity at 80 psi of 3042# each...so two tires cover 6084# on a 6,000# rated axle, and the truck will normally carry 20% of the 5er's weight, so no, you don't have to "bump up" the size of the tire...If 7,000# rated axles and need a G rated tire, you have the GY G 614's and now the Sailun G rated tire.
Load carrying capacity of ST tires degrades over the years, LT tires load carrying capacity doesn't.
Also, with reputation most ST tires have, I wouldn't use very many of them on my 5er...Pick up an E rated Michelin and compare it's weight and sidewall thickness to an E rated ST tire..believe you'll find the ST tire is sadly lacking....offering a higher weight capacity doesn't make it safe and doesn't make it any better when one blows while towing....