Sitting at our home camp in WVa. Towed up here today. Everything fixed on my camper with a special thanks to Jason Elia, Darrell Sullins and my Service advisor, Chris Stubbs. All is well with the 5er. We closed on our house yesterday and are now full timing. CW did an excellent job ,especially in fixing some of Thors mistakes.
Sitting on the river in front of a campfire doing nothing:B
I find it hard to believe a triple axle 5er only has a weight of 13K... I'd like to know the GVW of the 5er and go from there. I've owned a 14K GVW 5er and a16,950 GVW 5er and both were only had two axle's.. This, 13K just doesn't sound realistic.
OP, what is 5ers GVW, THAT's what you need to base the tow vehicle on.
Just a follow up. Plans are to have unit done and picked up end of the week. CW has been all over it. Mistakes thus far have been on Thor's end, not CW.. Tom Johnson's CW of Marion has kept me informed and again, the hold up has been with Thor. ... Jason Elia, a Manager and Chris Stubbs, my Service Advisor have touched base with me almost on a daily basis.They're trying their best to expedite my punch list, (again, an error on Thors side, caused warranty repair delay). Scott, Brendle (sp?), the GM has also gotten involved and called me to let me know what was going on. Hoping all will end well and I can pick up my unit end of week/Saturday.Jason. Chris, Scott and my Salesman, Darrell Sullins have all done their best to do right by me. I'm genuinely impressedJust wanting to get the unit home so we can finish loading it up.
Because my wife has made a health rebound we plan on hitting the road for Casa Grande Az Oct 1st or before. Heat might be a reason for leaving later. Never stopped us before but this year is different. I will try to get by with our old chev and older 35 ft alpenlite.. We are old.
LARRY!! Great to see you on our "OOP's" thread, please stick around buddy..Glad to hear your wife is doing better...We're still waiting to get our 5er back..they're working on a punch list I gave them. We close on our home on the 23rd, unless date changes, then we'll head to WV until it get's cold, then maybe run into you out west or somewhere it's warmer:B
I feel older , wish I didn't, but hoping to get back close to where I was before my stroke. It'll be one year on August 19th. and it's still slow going....
Hope all of you are well and I hope all of you have a great day.
65 days in motor home this year, and 3000 miles.On way back from SC now, home for three days then camping for another week.Be at Bluestone for labor day.Maybe can talk Hauler into a tour of the palace on wheels.:)
Would like to meet up with you...IF closing happens on Aug 23rd., we'll be at our Pence Springs home by the 24th or 25th. I'll keep in touch on here.
It can be done with a very late model diesel 1-ton dually with low axle ratio.
I would rather do it with something bigger, a small Freightliner (M2, FL60) or International (4000 series). The bigger trucks are built to haul and pull those heavy weights under continuous duty and do it problem free for years and years. The pickups are not rated for that. They have the power all cranked up and are taxing everything to max to get those big numbers in their ratings.Let's go back to this statement right here, because it appears my statement set off the whole arguement.
Now, if you read the first line, what does it say?
"It can be done with a very late model diesel 1-ton dually with low axle ratio."
Then I went on to say what I would rather tow it with, which is a bigger truck, and gave my reasons why.
Now, for those of you jumping on me because you like your pickups and like to pull big trailers with them, where did I ever say your late model diesel pickups couldn't pull the trailer? And where did I ever say that a bigger truck HAS to be used?
That's right, I never said those things.
I gave my opinion on what I would rather tow it with.
So, it appears to me, that it is the pickup guys that are being the gestapo here, jumping on anyone who prefers an MDT or HDT over a pickup...
And it happens on every forum where someone asks what they need to pull a heavy 5th'er.
As soon as someone pony's up the $70,000 for the Ram, I'll buy it, but until then my lil' ole $19000 truck is good for us.
WOW!!!!!$70K:E Guess you don't know how to shop for a new truck..My 2016 is loaded out and cost 15K less than that, full warranty and that price included a 7 yr 120K Chrysler Max Care Extended warranty, zero deductible..
If I were going over 20,000# I'd be looking very seriously at
THIS That's a nice truck! :)
They build them for a reason.
But not for the reason of only towing a 20K-23K 5er..This is 2016, get out and do your research..The MDT & HDT's, most of them feell you have to have a semi to tow a 16K 5er..It's their way or the highway...literally...I'd agreed with them back to about 5 yrs ago...but it's ridiculous to think you need a semi to tow a 16-23K 5er with,,,BUT, that's why I no longer frequent the Esdcapees forum..it's NOT user friendly if you disagree with them on ANYTHING. THERE IS A CLIQUE THAT COORDINATES MASS "JUMPING ON" OF ONE WHO WOULD DARE RECOMMEND ANYTHING BUT A MDT OR A HDT.
They build them ALL for one reason or another:R..Each class has a job it can do...If I were to go over 23K at this time...well, I wouldn't go that heavy because a semi tractor or MDT wouldn't work for us....so I'd stay light enough for a 3500/350 dually, (2013 and up) to handle what we need.
It can be done with a very late model diesel 1-ton dually with low axle ratio.
I would rather do it with something bigger, a small Freightliner (M2, FL60) or International (4000 series). The bigger trucks are built to haul and pull those heavy weights under continuous duty and do it problem free for years and years. The pickups are not rated for that. They have the power all cranked up and are taxing everything to max to get those big numbers in their ratings.Yeah, you're right. These things are real hand grenades. That's why the manufacturer won't even warrant them. Oh, wait. They do. For 5 years and 100,000 miles (powertrain warranty) with more available if you want to buy an extended warranty.
The 385/900 Cummins in our truck lives in the 1700 to 2300 RPM range even on steep grades. It doesn't have to wind to redline to pull grades. It uses its midrange torque.
RustyMy International with it's DT466 will haul and pull those weights, daily, without ever being unloaded, for half a million miles, before it's first in-frame rebuild, and then go another half a million miles, under the same stress.
Compare your pickup to any large frame class 6-8 truck. There's about 10,000 lbs more iron and steel in a real commercial truck than there is in a pickup.
You have alot of horsepower, arrived at with a low duty cycle rating, and that's about it. Real commercial trucks are rated at 100% duty cycle, for the life of the truck. They're so beefy for a reason.
Everything on the larger truck is massive and heavy duty. My truck's transmission likely weighs 2 to 3 times what yours does. Same with the rear axle. Same with the frame. Same with the front axle. Same with the driveshafts. Same with the brakes. Same with the transfer case. Same with the steering knuckles. Same with the wheels and tires. Everything is MASSIVE, compared to what's on a pickup.
At 66 yrs of age and recovering from a stroke...it's much easier for me to climb in and out of my truck...same for my wife who had hip replacement..My two dogs can easily get in and out of my not as massive pick up truck. I can take my truck to and from work, to church, through drive throughs...tow my 5er..disconnect and use my truck for sight seeing or whatever..I can use the bed of the truck. I can tow my unit safely. As stated early, some need to check out some of the newer 3500/350 1 ton dually's..they're NOT the same truck they were just 4 years ago.
Don't guess at what you might be loaded to. Use your 5er's GVW and work from there. 20% is a usual ball park, and as you've read, it can go as high as 25%. When figuring pin weight, don't cut corners...it could make for a lousy towing experience...thus the reason to forget empty or dry weights and figure full GVW, "just in case".
Any 2016 350/3500 DRW.......and I'm a member of the weight police
As also a boba fide weight police, I towed a 45' 21K GVW JAYCO Seismic 4112 all through the mountains of NC, SC, VA, TN and WVa with dig truck and ZERO ISSUES... In fact, I was over 700# under my trucks GVWR.. Another member is towing 23K.
As stated, Op is in dire need of, at the very least a 2013 and newer 350/3500. The F450/4500s are also more than capable.. Guess it depends on what all you want to use your TV for.
I haven' said much but I follow your posts all the time. So from a fellow West Virginian, it's your time to live life in the slow lane, like a good hillbilly should. Glad everything is looking better for you.
Alright, a fellow Mountaineer/Hillbilly:B...Maybe we'll meet up somewhere in the Mountain State.
Anytime. just let me know.
One issue that has finally been taken care of, though it took a week, was the weird issue when I called Thor about the roof issue, and after giving them the VIN#, they told me the unit was in another name!:E. I called camping world and spoke to a couple of people, BUT this wasn't addressed until late last week. No warranty work was done until the ownership thing could be cleared up!!! All that to say, it appears my punch list hasn't been touched, and I may not get my unit back until NEXT week!!
This stupid error was NOT A CW caused issue, Thor caused the error and CW got it fixed... Just don't understand why it took a week to address:h.
I told Camping World to PLEASE address all items on the punch list and please get rid of all the water spots left on the unit when I Picked it up!! I wore myself out for HOURS trying to wipe them off the unit. Yeah, even I missed some things on PDI, though I mentioned several not addressed.
Don't want to pick unit up UNTIL ALL items are fixed and roof looks normal. Got to be sooner than later, we close on our house in two weeks and MS still needs to be loaded.
Hey buddy, maybe we can get together "down south" some this winter...We'll start full timing Aug 23rd, (when we're supposed to close on our house). I'm looking to stay for a month or so at a time where it won't break the bank...doing some research on the subject....keep me posted
Sitting here in Indiana as we speak and see all kinds of 5th wheels and motor homes being moved around gray in color with no markings on at all heading to paint shops. We just bought a 5th wheel with full body paint and while cleaning see small white spots of over spray that do clean off with a little effort. Glad to hear that was all your problem was and hope you have your home back soon, good luck with it and safe travels.
Thanks buddy, We close on our home on the 23rd of this month, then we're outta here:B
I am just thrilled to hear the latest turn of events here.
Now get packing and get going!
All the best to you!
As soon as we have the closing on our house, (slated for the 23rd of his month..We're outta here:B