We have a 1998 Volvo 610 semi conversion that has an 183" wheelbase. With the 55* wheel cut it turns tighter than any regular 3500 series pickup. What we can't do is go thru drive throughs or park up front at wally world.
How much difference in fuel MPG`S have you had with a bumper pull compared to the large wind resistance of a fiver?
I have noticed a high fuel consumption in a head wind.
Is it streamlining or lack there of that is to blame?
Feel like I am pulling a 13 ft high box at times.
I see trucks with all sorts of streamlining on the road.
JUST CURIOUS-not that I want a travel trailer/bumper pull unit.
You are pulling a 13' high box. Whatever part of the 5th wheel is above the truck acts like an air brake. Plus the extra weight.
With the right RV, you can live in cold or hot temps with ease. Look at the older toy-haulers that were built by the more expensive companies. Many of them are out of business but their products are still available used. Excel built a great hauler, Carriage, Travel Supreme had haulers as well.
Today, Grand Design or Jayco is probably the best you can get with a reasonable budget. DRV has the Fullhouse but they are pricey at $100+. As mentioned above, the garage floors are not insulated but can be with some ingenutity. Spray foam and CoraPlast can be installed under the floor creating an insulated area.
Maybe it's time to switch to a class A pusher with air ride
That would be the best idea. Depending on your truck you could add air ride as well. Not aftermarket leveling bags, but actual air ride like the new Dodge has. https://kelderman.com/shop/2015-ford-f-450-pickup-4-link-rear-air-suspension as an example.
We use a Trailersaver on our HDT, it does let the front of the 5th float more.
We were quoted $68500 on a '17 model with all options, tires, dual pane windows, 3rd ac, heat pump, genset, extra awnings, patio/deck set up, etc.
Try Camping World/Dixie RV in Hammond La.
Same prices as a full Elite DRV.
Here are some links for those that like to shop
You need a minimum of a late model 3500, preferably a 4500/450 +
Most pull the 40ft+ units with MDT's and HDT's
A Space Craft 44' unit that we are considering to have built has an estimated weight of 26000lbs with a pin weight of 7000lbs.
2006 Dodge ram 2500 quad cab.
Industrial Injection Fatshaft / S474 compounds
Fire hose injectors
ARP head studs
Aluminum drive shaft
EFI live custom tuning
ATS intercooler, and Intake
2 piece exhaust manifold
Pacbrake inline exhaust brake
5" downpipe split to 4" duals
660hp 1000ftlbs torque daily driver
750+hp 1300+lbstq dragstrip play toy
Powerslot rotors with Yellow stuff EBC brake pads
Truck was converted to a dually for tow duty. Rolled 4500 rear axle, 3.83 gears, with overload springs underneath to carry the pin weight of the Carrilite, still put airbags under it.
Then I bought a real truck to tow our Carrilite
Unfortunately no current production builder will build what you want. But there are options-
SpaceCraft RV will build what you want easily. We are in discusssions with them about our future home.
Buy a floorplan that you can live with, then upgrade everything.
Most everything you mention can be changed with $$. Axles, tires, generator, AC's, batteries, water tanks (yes they can be changed, you just have to plumb them), remove all decals, etc. Not the cheapest option, but you end with an RV you reallly like.
Look at the used DRV, Carriage (old original) rv's. Better built than most anything new today, and in your price range. Say 2010-12 to 2015 for used DRV units. Go back to 2009 for Carriage. Teton, Travel Supreme, are 2 more that are more winter capable. They are heavy though, 3500 dually required to move one more than a few miles.
You could also buy / make a light weight pintle hook arrangement with the ring on the front of the boat. Drop it over the ball and off you go. I have seen several that were aluminum.... more for show, but would be light weight for this job.
It can be done with a very late model diesel 1-ton dually with low axle ratio.
I would rather do it with something bigger, a small Freightliner (M2, FL60) or International (4000 series). The bigger trucks are built to haul and pull those heavy weights under continuous duty and do it problem free for years and years. The pickups are not rated for that. They have the power all cranked up and are taxing everything to max to get those big numbers in their ratings.Let's go back to this statement right here, because it appears my statement set off the whole arguement.
Now, if you read the first line, what does it say?
"It can be done with a very late model diesel 1-ton dually with low axle ratio."
Then I went on to say what I would rather tow it with, which is a bigger truck, and gave my reasons why.
Now, for those of you jumping on me because you like your pickups and like to pull big trailers with them, where did I ever say your late model diesel pickups couldn't pull the trailer? And where did I ever say that a bigger truck HAS to be used?
That's right, I never said those things.
I gave my opinion on what I would rather tow it with.
So, it appears to me, that it is the pickup guys that are being the gestapo here, jumping on anyone who prefers an MDT or HDT over a pickup...
And it happens on every forum where someone asks what they need to pull a heavy 5th'er.
As soon as someone pony's up the $70,000 for the Ram, I'll buy it, but until then my lil' ole $19000 truck is good for us.
Once you hit the Continental Coach weight range, a true MDT will be needed. The CC coaches are in the 25K+ range. Friends of our have a CC that weighs 27k with empty tanks. For most DRV's and lower brands, you can go with a $70k pickup if you want.
We went with a fully loaded 610 Volvo for $19k already converted with 443000 miles on it.
So you've now moved the weight from 23K,(OP) and went to 25-27K plus..guess you'll get to where you need to justify a semi tractor rig....We were at 23K...It only takes common sense and simple math to figure at what 5er GVW that one would need a semi to tow it...You hit it..though your example is not that of the original post..re-read..
Well, got admit I paid about 63K for my fully loaded 2016 3500...full warranty and extremely comfortable and I can pull it into my carport, take it to drive thru ATM, Micky Dee drive thru, park at grocery store in regular parking places and use it as my daily driver to and from work..I can tow with it and park in church parking lot on Sunday..I can use the bed to haul a load of wood or whatever. use it all the time for any and everything...don't need a semi tractor no matter the price WAAY to big and not very practical in every day life to most...If they're so popular, one would think you would observe piles of them towing 5er's on the highway...I haven't seen it...A select few towing heavy 5er's that can now be towed by a 350/3500 and will argue till they're blue in the face that they're right, everyone else is wrong..Main reason I rarely frequent the escapees forum..extremely rude people ganging up on those that believe the way I do in today's world..The times, they are a changing.
You sprout that mess on every forum you can....
The OP asked about what is available to pull the heavier 5'ths. The Ford and Dodge can to an extent. But you don't know what the pin weights are on the custom RV's. Most CC's if over 40ft, will have 6000lb or more pin. Many go above 7500lbs. You can put that on a dually if you want, but it's not going to last long.
Also, read the fine print, most tow ratings are based on a gooseneck flatbed trailer like they show in all the commercials.
You were invited to the recent East Coast HDT rally. You elected not to attend. So before you trash talk us anymore, maybe you should learn a little more about this option. It may not be for you, but it may be for others.