RE: quality control
Of course anything you purchase should be right no matter what it is or who was the manufacturer.
That's not the issue with bwanted. Seems he constantly compliains about everything he purchases. Many of his post complaints over his history on this forum are unrealistic as compared to the hundreds of other like product purchased poster's comments. Is it possible he's the only one that has the issues he claims? Read his many posts and hopefully you can remember his other previous dissing post also.
If you knew how a Lance 1172 and all Lance TC's are constructed, you'd know that all holes and structures are CAD/CAM cut and holes predrilled and uses the predrilled holes to locate at assembly. Also jig welded frames with accuracy that must snap together with the Lance-Loc system etc and uses the predrilled holes to locate members or it couldn't even have been assembled. His words were that he could fit his hand between the pulled out wall. Do you realize how thick a hand is? Lance did not make the refrigerator nor the generator! A "bad" leak would have shown up in the pressure spray test. Maybe he didn't have it closed fully or had gotten some dirt between the seals and that's why it leaked if it actually did? Who knows, other than him, as to why he always has constant issues with many things he purchases?
Why aren't the other people having these problems with their purchases? We ourselves have purchase 3 new lances all with opening front lower windows and never had a drop of water leak even when pressure washing the TC's when off the truck. Never heard a complaint from our many TC friends about their Lance pass-thru windows leaking either. Begs a realistic answer!
RE: quality control
Reddog1,
Thanks to your observation of bwanted's posts, I viewed them also and can remember several of his posts previous to the ones you referenced. I also have problems feeling he's being honest and factual in his assessments and/or complaints in his forum writings. Constant problems and/or issues other posters don't/didn't have in my 7+ years on this forum or on the other forums I participate in. Several of his issues are more than off the wall in sensible reality. Seems to be a person who finds "faults" or conjures up issues with about everything. Perhaps he really has a hidden agenda? Lip service and finger poked words but not one actual verifiable picture or original document to backup or support his lofty plethora of the claims made on this forum. Adds up to "readers of his posts, beware" and be sure to have waterproof washable hip boots on!
Comes a time to call "BS" when the strong smell gives it away!
RE: Mosquitos!
Yes, the first hatching of skeeters is extreme this year thanks to the very heavy monsoon type rains we've had in the state in April which created so much standing water which are the breeding grounds for mosquitos. Heavy rains and/or lots of standing gorund water is far from normal in our state.
Once this first hatching dies off and if staying normal with precipitation, the second hatching about Memorial Day will be much much smaller. Going to keep bug repellent close by until then. Our electronic bug zapper has been singing and sounding almost constantly for a week now but it is starting to slow down now.
Heck the last 4-5 years we'd hardly seen any skeeters in our area of Michigan or up north and the U.P. either. Never used any bug repellent once as it was not needed and we're outside most of the time all 7 days of the week as we're retired.
Guess you'll just have to be patient and hope for continued dry normal weather for a while or cover as much of you as you can and repellent treat the rest so the hungry blood suckers don't enjoy you as "dinner".
RE: GMs new secret weapon......LOL
Terryallan,
YES, you are very important and so is every other employee or management member. There's only one CEO per company but many to thousands upon thousands of workers. True that many CEO's are over paid perhaps but many are underpaid also and the percentage of a CEO's total package is miniscule in relation to the total employee labor cost of hourly and management yearly. They are just an easy and convient bashing target. For many bashers, it's simply jealousy. Spreading out their CEO entire compensation package over the total employee yearly costs would amount to only a few pennies per hour increase per employee. Hint, NO CEO will work without being compensated! We all must do our part according to our ability, education, drive, pride, and long term desires. How could our country ever have gotten to be the best place to live on the planet if it wasn't or isn't still true? Don't think it's the best? Then why are people from every other country on the planet seeking to live here whether it being legally or illegally?
True that many posters on forums write various posts according to their opinions or wants or hiding their own desire to look important far beyond their actual knowledge, education, and/or abilities. Some post very untrue items/commenets with malice or are simply blind to the actual facts. Every member on this forum has a computer device to research and find the real documented facts and become educated in the subject. A computer device is how they even read the threads! There are also many that are totally honest and tell the real truth in their posts as they have the knowledge and/or real experiences they write about in their posts. Reading your posts for years now leaves me to believe you are the real and honest mccoy unlike some others.
Many in management are forced or required to assign blame fast before they even find out the real facts. Yes, it's wrong and you already know that. Running a corporation is far from easy and guess what runs downhill? Makes me happy to see a person proud of the work they and their business produces. However, it doesn't end there as the competition is constantly nipping at the heels one bite ate a time and before long they are nipping hard at the body as they've already consumed both legs. How long before they are the new number one? Ever notice how many company's in your area are foreign owned for branches run by foreign controls? Yes, in the businesses like you work in! England, Germany, etc.
Much of the problems our U.S. industries suffer from has been caused by the opposing forces in the industrial era. Bean counters now running corporations ramping up in the 1970's, over-regulation/taxation ongoing and even getting deeper, over-competitive priced labor/benefit/decreased production output issues prior to the about the early 2000's when the s___t hit the fan and the resulting dilemma we have now and it's not going back to where it came from. The world economy will see to it!
A small percentage in both labor and upper management have really upset the financial applecart for the rest of the masses. For more than a decade now you/we have wittnessed the constant news reports of corporations going bankrupt or moving away to avoid bankruptcy and promised pensions/benefits etc that aren't remotely sustainable in any economy. Yes, some were poorly run or produced inferior products and needed to be weeded out or sold.
ME, me, me has met it's match and is still losing fast to the world economy which is now the boss. Note! It's US who gave them our money to become our boss! Dumb weren't we? We bought and are ever increasingly buying their products and we have the guts to be remotely unhappy with what it causes and has caused? HELLO!!! It will also be US who must tip the scales back in our favor or always be the subservient. That's the choice we have and everyday the clock runs and the time is short!
RE: Michigan UP Campgrounds
Texas Roadrunner,
Google: state parks in the U.P.
Lots of listings.
Under the google page is DNR - State Forest Campgrounds
About half or more of these are in the U.P.
Some pics and more info at: www.superiortrails.com/up-camping.html
Additional info at: www.exploringthenorth.com/camp/grounds.html
Then there's the national parks and national forests, city and county parks CG's, and tons of privately owned CG's.
If you are going to be in the U.P. or the L.P. of Michigan for over 3 days of using the state parks for daily or the CG's, Buy the annual entry pass and you'll save lots. Camping rates vary at Michigan State Parks depending on their location and the U.P. is the cheapest at approx: no hookups $16 to 30 or 50 amp and very modern bathhouses at generally $23- $26. Last years rate as we camp up there at least 12 days a year and up to about 25 days. L.P. rates are a few dollars more and are usually quite busy to full all the time especially on the Lake Michigan side of the state where we live. Hundreds of thousands of southern states campers and RV'ers all summer and also enough excellent CG's to handle them in Michigan. Thousands of CG's in the state! We haven't been to some of the state parks not mentioned in the U.P. for a few years now so I can't vouch for their present rates. What CG or area depends on what floats your boat of desire. Lots of choices and for all ages and desires.
We have state park favorites up there also. Lower CG at Tahquamenon Falls+++, River mouth CG at Tahquamenon SP south of Paradise++, MI, Muskallonge SP on Lake Superior north of Tahquamenon Falls++, Indian Lake SP CG near Manistique++, Fayette SP down on the peninsula west of Manistique++, Union Bay CG at Porcupine Mts SP++, Fort Wilkins SP at Copper Harbor++, Straits SP at St Ignace++, a couple CG's at Cederville and Hessel area eastern side of the U.P.++ So many nice places and so little time!
Because we live on the shore of Lake Michigan and have for over 70 years with it's gorgeous sunsets constantly and live in a true vacation dreamland, it's not as important to us to camp right on the Great Lakes shore like someone who lives inland or visiting but we still enjoy doing it occasionally during the shoulder season. If we take a CG spot then there's one less for a another visitor so we refrain during the summer season but not in the fall when kids are back in school and the fantastic brilliant irridescent fall colors surround you.
You'll swear when looking at and over one of the Great Lakes that's it the ocean however, it's fresh deep potable clean water without any salt or anything that will bite or sting you. It's the direct drinking water for 50+ million people. Lake Superior is 1333 ft deep and Lake Michigan is 923 ft deep. You'll also see lots of thousand foot+ ships same size as the huge cruiseships.
Enjoy your visit as you'll be back many times like most of the other visitor are.
RE: Michigan UP Campgrounds
OK, I had posted this before and here it is again. These are only the CG's directly on 3 of the Great Lakes shoreline and only in the U.P. of Michigan. On Lake Superior, Lake Michigan, and Lake Huron. There are at least 5 times this many inland and/or on inland lakes as Michigan has over 11,000 inland lakes within the state and over 3,200 miles of Great Lakes Shoreline alone. The OP didn't come back on and give his preferences so he'll have to decide which of these may be to his liking. What one person feels is a good or great CG another may feel very differently.
To name a few in each area on the Lake Superior shoreline:
Starting at Sault Ste Marie (The Soo) Is Anne Osborn CG.
A half mile west is The Soo Locks CG.
About 20 mile farther west is Brimley State Park.
Maybe 5 miles west of Brimley is Bay Mills CG.
Up M-123 six miles south of Paradise, MI is The Tahquamenon Falls State Park Rivermouth CG.
North of Newberry, MI is Muskallonge State Park.
West of Muskallonge is Woodland Park CG at Grand Marais, MI
Going west on H-58 is a pretty rustic type CG on Lake Superior
At Munising, MI is Munising City Tourist CG
North on M-28 around the corner is the City Lakeshore CG park.
Half mile west on M-28 is Wandering Wheels Campground.
Next is Bay Furnace (think it's still rustic).
East of US-41 on M-28 is Gitche Gumee Campground.
Baraga State Park at Baraga.
Fort Wilkins State Park at Copper Harbor, MI.
McLain State Park near Houghton, MI.
2 CG's at Ontonagon, MI (can't remember their names but have camped at them).
The 2 Union Bay CG's at The Porcupine Mtns State Park.
Presque Isle CG at The Porcupine Mtns State Park.
Little Girls Point CG, County Rd 505, north of Ironwood, MI
Partial list of those on the Lake Superior side shore. Many more on the Lake Michigan side of the U.P and then there's Several CG's on the Lake Huron side of the Eastern U.P. Near Hessel/Cedarville (The Les Cheneaux Islands area) more commonly known as the "Snows". On the way to Detour Village is a CG on Lake Huron. Also, a nice CG on Drummond Island and a couple near the town of Drummond. The ferry runs all year from Detour and takes MH's and vehicles with big trailers to the island. We've done it several times now.
I gave a partial list on this thread of the CG's on the U.P. Lake Superior Shoreline and now the list of many of the CG's on the U.P. Lake Michigan side shoreline starting at the Wisconsin/Michigan border and going east. The next post will be the CG's on the L.P. West Michigan shoreline on Lake Michigan waters. As usual, there are many many more CG's just within 5 miles of the Great Lakes shoreline within the state of Michigan.
These are on the south side of the U.P. on the Lake Michigan Shoreline. Green Bay is part of Lake Michigan.
Kleinke CG on M-35 (Lakeshore Dr) north of Menominee, MI.
J W Wells State Park on M-35 between Menominee and Escanaba.
O B Fuller County park on M-35.
Gladstone Bay CG in Gladstone, MI.
Vagabond Resort & CG near Gladstone.
Nahma south of US-2 near Nahma.
Fayfette SP - Garden Peninsula - M-183 - very neat place to explore.
CG at Thompson, MI - Co Rd 435 - near Manistique, MI.
Gould City Township Park - south of US-2.
CG near Epoufette - south of US-2 - samll but quaint.
Lakeshore Park CG - west of Saint Ignace, MI. Has a big CG on the other side on US-2.
Straits State Park - upper and lower on right side along the Big Mac Bridge in Saint Ignace, MI. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron basically join eachother under the bridge.
Going east at Saint Ignace it's Lake Huron and the following::
Castle Rock Mackinac Trail CG - north side of Saint Ignace.
Brulee Point CG - South of M-134 close to Hessel, MI.
Cedarville RV CG in Cedarville, MI.
Loons Point CG - just east of Cedarville.
Barefoots Resort & CG - on Hill Island - small but has a nice beach, boat docks, and a launching ramp for the customers use. Even more fun if you have a boat or rent on there. Great Fishing too!
Detour State Park - M134 Detour, MI.
Karen's Cabins & CG at Raber, MI - north of Detour in a very quiet area.
Straits State Park - upper and lower on right side along the Big Mac Bridge in Saint Ignace, MI. Lake Michigan and Lake Huron basically join eachother under the bridge.
Going east at Saint Ignace it's Lake Huron and the following CG's:
Castle Rock Mackinac Trail CG - north side of Saint Ignace.
Brulee Point CG - South of M-134 close to Hessel, MI.
Cedarville RV CG in Cedarville, MI.
Loons Point CG - just east of Cedarville.
Barefoot's Resort & CG - on Hill Island - small but has a nice beach, boat docks, and a launching ramp for the customers use. Even more fun if you have a boat or rent on there. Great Fishing too!
Detour State Park - M134 Detour, MI.
Karen's Cabins & CG at Raber, MI - north of Detour in a very quiet area.
RE: Double pulling
"Triple towing" used in many publications refers to a 3 unit total rig. Triple means 3 and double towing means 2 units being pulled by a independent power source such as a pickup truck etc. Both terms are correct and can be correctly used to describe the rig having a tow unit followed by 2 individual trailer units. A trailer or trailers does not power itself down the road!
We all know or should know what is meant by either: "Double Tow", "Double Pulling" or "Triple Towing".
RE: Am I losing my seat?
In our crew cab truck with the 60/40 rear seat, we sometimes leave the 60 in place and put my tools etc on the floor and use Tupperware type plastic boxes with lids on top for our canned goods, liquid containers, and other weighty items on top and also on the 60 seat surface. The 40 is folded down flat as GW truck rear seats do for our large dog so she has plenty of room to stretch out. Putting the heavy items forward of the TC and low as possible moves a lot of weight (hundreds of lbs) off the rear wheels transferring it to the front wheels. Our totally optioned out 11'4" TC weighs 3872 lbs as shipped from Lance and the truck handles the weight fine doing this and has for over 70,000 miles now. Yes, you even gain more storage space if needed by removing the rear seat totally. However, we haven't found the need to do so as there's plenty of room for my large tool box and 3 large plastic storage boxes with lids in the 60 area and simply taking them out and putting them on our site when we need the back seat for guests. A couple minutes max and solves both needs!
Don't use see thru plastic boxes and it won't draw the itchy fingers while sitting on your site when you are gone away. Also, the covered boxes keeps the rain out and/or you can put a cheap plastic tarp over them. Where's there's a will, there's a way!
RE: Funny Town Names?
grandpalarry,
Don't forget: Tightwad, MO East of Clinton.
Then there's: Hell, MI which is 350 miles south of Paradise, MI and sure is a lot warmer all year round.
A few times we've driven thru "Hell" quickly but surely never stopped (whew) and also have driven to "Paradise", even stayed there and enjoyed it!
RE: Michigan UP Campgrounds
What area of the U.P.? The U.P. is almost 400 miles long E to W and over 200 miles wide N to S and is very different from one end to the other. State Parks? Private Parks? Forest CGs? What hookups are desired or needed or must have. There are hundreds of CG's in the U.P. Need info before some can be suggested.
RE: Double pulling
This subject of "double towing" really gets my dander up for reasons. We go to Florida from Michigan for a couple months every year and see gobs of triple RV units on the roads and Interstates there even though everyone who posts regarding Florida laws says that Florida doesn't allow it. BS! We have also triple towed ourselves many years. Never once seen a truck/5th wheel/second trailer pulled over and have been behind these passing state police/highway patrol, sheriffs, state motor carrier enforcement, and local police. Not one ever pulled over! We have noticed that none of the triple tows has had Florida license plates of the ones we could see the plates well enough. Florida and Alabama do have reciprocity (reciprocal) and so does Michigan and the other states we go thru on the trip however Georgia doesn't and so we go thru Alabama. Even a Florida Highway Patrol desk sargent etc told us it would be OK for us to do when I stopped to ask. Reciprocity has to be the reason!
BTW, being honest, we were stopped in the Keys (Long Key) when towing our 5th wheel and an 18' Searay boat behind on US-1 back in 1995 by a Monroe County Sheriff and all he said at first was "you look awful long". After being a real jsrk for a while and then rolling his measuring wheel 3 times, he asked me if I knew how long we were. I said yes and that I'm less than the max allowed. I asked twice what the legal length was and he never asnwered. I doubt he even knew! I won't write all the dumb stuff that came out of his mouth during the 45+ minutes he held us but after I asked him "what's wrong?" he went back, jumped in his vehicle, did a "U" turn on Long Key Bridge and sped off. NO ticket, no warnings, nothing but mouth! Yes, we were really steamed and complained to the office in Marathon the next day and they just brushed us off.
RE: 10 Worst States for Retirement!
Yes, don't feed the troll as he's fat enough and I already have to carry 2 guns now. One to protect my family and one to protect the troll's family since he must not be wise enough to provide for his own family's protection.
RE: DEF Price
Have to also qualify with the OP's location as everything is high or higher priced on the left coast. So be it! Sunshine is free here but it seems to be very expensive over there like everything else!
RE: DEF Price
Quite steady priced around here too at from $2.80/gal to $3.09/gal at the pump depending on which station. Buying it in 2.5 gal containers simply means you are paying dearly for the container it's in. Keep the containers! Several bucks each time one's bought! When near a pump, refilling one or two of those DEF containers lets you take advantage of the lower price big time. 2.5 gallons lasts a lot of miles so it's not often you'd have to refill it. Also when there, of course fill the truck's reservior and you're good for 10,000+ miles before needing more. Works out to about 1/10 of a penny per mile driven. Just the normal evaporation of the costly diesel fuel itself costs you more than that! How much cheaper could it get as the DEF system in return gets you 1-3 more mpg's!
Remember that having an empty container or two means you had already paid for it once, why again?
RE: Grand Rapids, MI wins Beer City USA again
Jim,
Glad to hear Cincinnati is doing something very good. If you missed the gist of what this thread is about, let me explain. This national poll is only about locally made micro-brewery beers and craft beer specialty's made from scratch only in the local area and not about national brand types or how many beers a place has on tap or in it's coolers. These beers are quite different from national brands and usually only on tap locally but some are bottled and within a state's regional area are available for the most part. Depends on a state's laws and requirements. They are a very flavorful beer and usually quite rich and smooth but seldom syrupy or what some refer to as a yucky after taste. Many are fruity or exotic and really enhance fruits. Not something to splash down 10+ mugs and go home somehow. They very seldom have high carbination but yet not dead. Ladies seem to really like them too. Bottling these beers while still very good tends to make them a little less appealing compared to fresh draft on tap.
Is this what Cincinnati has or is building?
RE: GMs new secret weapon......LOL
Hmmm!
A merger of equals? Is that why Daimler paid 36 billion for 92% of Chrysler on May 7th, 1998? Do your research Don!
A merger of equals? Is that why Cerberus paid 7.4 billion for 81% of Chrysler on May 14th, 2007 when Daimler finally had enough of the losses experienced while OWNING Chrysler? Do your research Don!
Merger of equals? Is that how a larger corporation named Fiat, of Italy, now owns the majority of the much smaller Chrysler it purchased on July 21st, 2011 from the US Government and why Sergio, the CEO of Fiat, calls the shots for Chrysler? Do your research Don!
I'll help you!
Google these:
Daimler buys Chrysler
then
Cerberus buys Chrysler
then
Fiat buys Chrysler
Should keep you entertained for hours and help you learn at the same time.
Are you sure you work for Chrysler Corp? If you said Allpar I'd understand the brainwashing.
Don, just trying to help you.
RE: Grand Rapids, MI wins Beer City USA again
Deb and Ed M,
Maybe we'll have to give that a try. OK, more than one try! Oh, alright, several tries...
Practice makes perfect, right?
RE: Time to say goodbye to the TC life for us!
Good reasons except for the "too many toys" comment. There's no such thing as tooooo many toys as you'll only live once.
We fortunately have plenty of room for lots and lots of toys and yup, we got'em! In the pole building (my toy barn as my wife calls it) and all around it too. Even on some of other other properties also. My neighbor jokes about it saying: He who dies with the most toys, wins! haha
RE: What Are The Upsides & Downsides To Driving A DRW Truck?
If you do buy a DRW truck, just be sure you say the word "TRUCK" after uttering "wide hips" or the wife might shove those DRW's in your posterior and do you realize how much truck is ahead of those DRW's? Super OUCH!
