RE: Gifts for the RVer?
XM radio with life time subscription, Garmin 7200 GPS, VCR-DVD player recorder, Tire Pressure Monitoring System, side mounted cameras, are a few things I can think of.
My parents just upgraded from a pop-up to a motorhome, and I'm desperately seeking ideas for Christmas gifts. Are there any 'must haves' that any of you can think of, or anything that really comes in handy that they might not already have, from the pop-up? Or even fun decor-type things. Any ideas/leads at all would be appreciated! Thanks :)
RE: Financing a new coach
Refi your stick house at below 5% and make a cash deal on your new MH.
No lower rate can be had.
I am curious.
What kind of attractive financing is available for buying a new rig?
What is the lowest interest rates, term of loan, etc?
mtnman
RE: Motor Home Comfort
Could be a thermostat problem. What temperature does your gauge say you are running. Mine is always above 190. In really cold weather I can see when it open and closes.
Question for those of you who own a diesel-pusher: How comfortable is the inside of your coach during cool/cold (40 degree) weather, while driving it?
We recently traded from a gas RV to a diesel-pusher, and completed a 1,000 mile shake-down trip. The one thing we noticed was how uncomfortable it was driving in cooler weather. I expected the heater to take longer to warm up, but it did not get as hot as our gas powered coach. I had the temperature control on hot, the fan blowing on high all the time, and we were still not comfortable. We were at speed of 60mph.
What do you guys-and-gals do to keep warm while "running-down-the-road"?
RE: 50 amp R/V outlet from 220 volt service?
MH 50 amp is two hots, neutral and a ground. Do not know how your pool heater is wired. My hot tub is a 60 amp four wire system. Make sure you understanding the wiring protocol.
RV ELECTRIC SERVICE
Hi,
I have a pool heater that runs on 220 volts and it is in a perfect spot to install a 50 amp outlet for my coach while parked at home. Can I tap into the 220 and get 50 amp 110 out of it? I would also put some kind of a switch so that I could only use one or the other at a time.
Thanks,
Ron
RE: What did you do to your Class A MH today???
Got the swim suits out so we could use the stick house HOT TUB - 104 F
This is always a fun thread to watch, so I thought I would start one here.
RE: Smallest Diesel Class A Pusher?
What is the CCC and the towing capacity? Is it on a air bag chassis or a spring chassis like the FRED?
Tiffin, a quality RV builder, is coming out with a 28' DP.
Tiffin Breeze
RE: Smallest Diesel Class A Pusher?
I have seen some as small as 32 feet but do not know if any one is still putting one that small out the door.
Do a search af the manufacture sites if you really want to know.
Simple question - What is the smallest Class A diesel pusher available today?
RE: salvage yards
any one know of a salvage yards that might have a good used Onan generator electronic control unit?
stole the list from the guy listed at the bottom of the page
RV Salvage yards Across the country in Alphabetical order
Agency RV Sales & Service. 674 E. Highway 30, Mechanicsville, IA 52306;
(800) 938-4936. rebuild all parts for Vixen motorhomes. E-mail:
sales@agencyrv.com
All Auto Truck Recycle, Rancho Cordova, CA
(800) 477-3086 "MH & vehicle parts"
All Rite Exteriors - 1500 Shelton, Hollister, CA 95023
(800) 262-6541. Collision-repair parts for all types RV exteriors.
ALL Seasons RV. 10191 Government Way, Hayden, ID 83835; (208) 772-6581. new
and obsolete Onan generator and engine parts, as well as manuals.
E-mail: seasons@dmi.net.
Alretta Truck Parts Inc. 207 A Street, Boston, MA 02210; (617) 268-8116;
FAX: (617) 268-5200. Dodge motorhome Class A and Class C chassis
brake-system parts, E-mail: qpower1@mediaone.net.
American Vintage Trailer & Scooter Co. Los Angeles, CA (323) 932-1406.
Specialize in restoring and renting pre-1950 trailers. Extra used vintage
trailer parts, especially 1950's Airstreams and pre-1950 Spartans. E-mail:
trailergod@earthlink.net
Arizona RV Salvage, Phoenix, Az. http://www.azrvinc.com
(602) 272-0301 appliances, plumbing, A/C lites, windows, doors, holding
tanks,
hubs, rotors, axles, running gears, rear ends, will ship nationwide
ARS RV Svc. & Salvage
Orange Blossom Trail at East Martin Street
Kissimmee, FL 407- 846-4916
Bill's RV - Elkhart, IN (219) 522-1569 - Salvage yard.
Bob Cox Camper Country Inc. 6014 Clinton Highway, Knoxville, TN 37912;
(800) 688-0825, (423) 688-0823; fax: (423) 688-0881. The Parts Dept. is
known for its
ability to find even the most obscure part. E-mail:
stacie@bobcoxcampercountry.com Internet site: www.bobcoxcampercountry.com
Boeing Surplus
20651 84th Ave. S. Kent, WA 98032 (206) 393-4065
Surplus aluminum sheeting, honeycomb insulation and mylar.
Bontrager's RV Surplus Parts - e-mail: surplus@inetplus.net
18719 E. US 12, White Pigeon, MI 49099 (269) 483-7017, FAX, (269) 483-7786.
(This is a SURPLUS outlet and not RV Salvage) Refrig., ranges, HW heaters,
furnaces, awnings, rubber roof materials, generators, RV furniture (sofas,
seats, upholstery fabric).
Brandon Auto Salvage,
Balrico FL (800) 282-7462 RV parts for all types of RV's
C & G Trailer Service. 9241 Sonrisa Street, Bellflower, CA 90706; (800)
662-3790. Authorized Airstream service center. E-mail: cgtrailer@aol.com
Camp Trailer Parts. 2287 Millville Road, Lapeer, MI 48446; (810) 664-3080.
Specializing in parts for Apache pop-ups.
Camper & Recreation Inc.
Rt. 1 Box 238 Loyal, WI 54446 (715) 255-8142
Replacement canvas tops. Will manufacture canvas for any folding trailer
even
without pattern if old canvas is available.
Canvas Replacements
S.H. 2419 Hwy 98 Loyal, WI 54446
(715) 255-9332 Canvas replacements for any type of RV.
Cinnabar Engineering Inc. 116 Orval Street, Sandusky, MI 48471;
(800) 720-2227. All original GMC motorhome parts and publications;
Chevrolet and Workhorse P, W and R Chassis Parts... E-mail: gmcmh@aol.com
Colaw RV Parts & Salvage http://www.colawrvsalvage.com
10389 Cimarron Rd. Carthage, MO 64836 (417) 548-2125, (417) 358-4640
Actively dismantling hundreds of damaged RVs, used RV parts.
Cooper RV Salvage, Elkhart,
(219) 293-3027 all types of parts for all types of RV
Conibear RV Center. 11636 N. US 98, Lakeland, FL 33809; (800) 981-2787.
Available inventory of some original Avco motorcoach parts. Also, good
supply of other hard-to-find parts. E-mail: conibear@atlantic.net
Creative Coach. 8250 State Road 33N, Lakeland FL 33809; (888) 234-3439,
(863) 984-3439; FAX: (863) 984-1876. complete custom painting, graphics,
special effects. Specializing in Prevost, Bluebird, Newell, Country Coach,
Monaco, Holiday Rambler, Beaver, Safari and Fleetwood products. New and
used parts. Email: ccfl@gte.net
Creative Colors International, 5550 W. 175th St., Tinley Park, IL 60477,
(800) 933-2656; (708) 614-7786; FAX (708) 614-9685; leader in the repair,
reconditioning and color restoration of leather, vinyl, fabric, plastics
and carpeting Website: www.CreativeColorsInts.com E-mail:
comments@creativecolorsintl.com
D & B WHEELS INC. 4409 Mission Boulevard, Montclair, CA 91763-6020; (909)
590-1702. Wheels, tires, accessories, new and used.
Dixie trailer supply/rv parts/service
4135 N. Dixie Highway
Fort Lauderdale, FL 33334
Phone: 305-565-9210
In business more than 27 years. New and hard-to-find trailer and RV parts.
DJ AUTO, 6300 Isleta SW, Albuquerque, NM Used parts, refrigerators, stoves,
tanks A/C, awnings and all other parts. Phone: 505-873-8128
D.T.I. Inc. Parts Unlimited
304 1/2 N. Main Middlebury, IN 46540
(800) 289-0919, (219) 825-5858. Recond./Scratch/dented appliances. RV
appliance parts.
Electrex - 108 E.Sherman, Hutchinson, KS 67501 (316) 669-9966.
Custom manufacturing of electrical wiring harnesses, electrical assemblies,
switch panels, clock panels and misc. electrical devices for vans and RVs.
Elkhart Surplus Salvage, 28301 US33
West Elkhart, In 46516 (219) 295-8903
Factory RV Surplus
1537 W. Bristol Elkhart, IN
219-262-3327
Foreign Engine Service - 5811 S. E. JohnsonCreek Boulevard, Portland, OR
97206
(503) 771-2526, (800) 349-3778. Toll-free parts and help line. Parts and
repairs for the LeSharo and Phasar motorhomes. Available stock for almost
anything that is drivetrain related -- including transmissions, engines and
most all-related components.
Giant Recreation World. 13906 W. Colonial Drive, Winter Garden, FL 34787;
(800) 654-8475, (407) 656-6444, Ext. 142; FAX (407) 573-6434. Hundreds of
appliance manuals and service prints available. Email:
parts@giantrecreationworld.com Internet site:
http://www.giantrecreationworld.com
Glasparts
P.O. Box 716
Boring, OR 97009
Phone: (503) 254-9694
Windshields for motorhomes.
Graber Industries Inc. - 19100 Fairchilds Road, Constantine, MI 49042
(616) 279-5288. Obsolete/new RV parts/supplies, materials, carpeting and
plumbing.
Gundie's Inc.
1283 Mt. Baker Hwy. Bellingham, WA 98226 (800) 444-4344, (360) 733-5036
Rebuildable RVs, auto recycle center, appliances, all types of parts for
all types of RVs.
Harmony Enterprises - 704 Main Ave.N., Harmony, MN 55939 (507) 886-6666.
Components available for any Harmony Ent. roof-lift system. Heco camper
canvases are available for Palomino, Puma, Trade Winds, Winnebago and many
more.
Hillside Auto Salvage
3760 Pyrite St.
Riverside, CA 92509
Phone: 1-951-685-6744
Toll Free: 1-800-400-6744
Holiday RV Super Stores Inc. - Specializing in vintage Airstream and
Holiday Rambler parts. Orlando, FL (407) 351-3096; Tampa, FL (813)
622-8777; N. Ft. Myers, FL (941) 731-2266; Forest Park, GA (404) 362-9559;
Greer, SC (864) 877-8218; Orlando, FL (407) 363-9211; Roseville, CA (916)
782-3178; Bakersfield, CA (805) 831-5451; Las Cruces, NM (505) 523-0715.
Howell's RV Appliance Repair - 1162 Greenfield Dr., El Cajon, Ca. 92021
(619) 441-0066. New, used and reconditioned RV appliances.
Huckaby's Recreational Vehicle Salvage
1293 NW 50 Highway Holden Mo., 64040
816-850-4155 email: carhuck@swbell.net
Icke's RV Surplus, Montpilier, IN, (317) 728-5668
Raymond Ickes Supplies, 701 W Huntington St
Montpelier, IN 47359 (765) 728-5668
New/Surplus RV parts, 29 years in business, 4 warehouses. UPS nationwide.
Inland RV Parts and Service - 391 Elizabeth Lane, Corona, CA 91720
(800) 877-7311. Parts for older Airstream trailers.
Isley's RV Service center
2225 W. Main Street
Mesa, AZ 85201
Phone: 602-834-1234
Also: 5151 W. Bell Road, Glendale, AZ 85308; 602-938-4990 or 800-962-5547.
Specialize in RV handicap equipment
Junk Yard Dog RV Parts
http://www.junkyarddog.Com
LA Porte's Parts Dist. - 2444 N. Fifth St., Hartsville, SC 29550 (803)
332-0191. Unique inventory of new and obsolete heating, air conditioning
and appliance parts; Duo therm, Coleman etc. Wholesale only - Please have
your dealer contact them for you.
K and A Enterprizes http://www.kandaenterprizes.com
RV & Camping Accessories, Parts, Equipment & Supplies for all types of
Campers
City, State: Livonia, Michigan 48152 Phone: 1-248-427-0383
E-Mail kandaenterprizes@yahoo.com
Kloiber Auto Recycling http://www.kloiberauto.com
City, State: Holland, New York 14080 Phone: 1-716-655-4012 1-800-821-1399
Fax: 716-655-3414 E-Mail kloibersauto@aol.com trucks, 4x4`s, vans,
campers/rv`s.
Marty Moore's Inc. - 4019 Hicock Street, San Diego, CA 92110; (619)
299-3720; FAX: (619) 299-1850. Complete RV repair and parts supplier large
supply of new and rebuilt parts for Revcons. Will ship nationwide.
Master Tech. 27575 CR 24, Elkhart, IN 46517; (219) 522-6224; FAX: (219)
522-6302. OEM parts, distributor of RV components.
E-mailastertechrv@qtm.net.
Mather Auto Wrecking/Mather's Auto Dismantlers
4095 Happy Ln Sacramento, CA 95827 (800) 822-6110, (916) 366-8211
We buy Chrysler, Dodge, Plymouth, Mitsubishi wrecks. Specialize in Dodge
motor homes.
McBrides Service & Supply Co. 13788 Oaks Avenue, Chino, CA 91710; (800)
421-7788; FAX: (909) 590-0196. Rare motorhome wheels and chassis
components.
E-mail: charlie@workhorseparts.com
Midwest Salvage Inc.
We cater to the recreational vehicle business
1700 N State Road 5 Shipshewana, IN 46565
(219) 768-4884 http://www.midwest-salvage.com/
National Recovery Service
(PO Box 310) 3241 Leonard Dr., Liberty, NC 27298
(800) 903-7285, (336) 622-7285
Rebuilds damaged RVs. Engines, nose/tail cones, differentials,
transmissions
and other new and old hard-to-find parts.
Quality Coach (Div. Rec Ve Inc.) - Stump Road & Commerce Dr.,
Montgomeryville, PA 18936 (215) 643-2211. Appliances, interiors, brakes and
hitches as well as other parts available for Cortez, Dodge RV chassis, FMC,
Revcon and others.
Rexhall's Overstock
windows, kwikee steps, cabinet doors, heavyduty tag axles for ford and
chevy
City/State: Lancaster, California 93534 Local Phone: 661-726-0565
Toll Free: 877-566-8674 Fax: 661-726-5813 E-Mail: Billr@Rexhall.com
Ron the Bus Nut
http://www.ronthebusnut.com/
RV Accessories/RV issues
http://www.rvaccessories.com
RVs Corp. - Recreational Vehicle Services,
RR #2M140, Morgan Hill, CA 95037; (800) 821-2266, (408) 779-3173. Parts
available for 1973-76 FMC 2900R all molds, tooling, dies, fixtures, large
parts inventory. Original parts and services and owners manuals.
RV Doctor George
1142 Dixieanne Avenue Sacramento CA 95815
Office (916) 927-7837 Fax (916) 927-3866 Email: doc@rvdoctorgeorge.com
RV Mobile Inc. 11715 HWY 99, Everett, WA 98204 . Phone: (425) 355-1170
http://www.rvmobile.com/ tj@rvmobile.com . We specialize in
RV REFRIGERATORS Parts, & Service
RV Recyclers
3391 Fitzgerald, Ste B Rancho Cordova, CA 95742
(916) 635-9303, FAX (916) 635-3776, 1-888-635-9303
All used parts from 1990 and newer stock; refrigerators, generators,
furnaces, waste tanks, windows and more. Reconditioned and new available
also. 90-Day exchange available. Open 7 days/week. Ship nationwide.
RV Renovators, Pinellas Park, FL - Dean and Pam -- Repairs on older RV's as
well as newer ones. very knowledgeable about all aspects of vintage
Airstreams. Have in stock several 60 era skin panel sections. Phone:
727-521-1161.
RV Specialist Inc.
11865 SW Hwy 54 Augusta, KS. 67010
316-775-3098 RV Skin material & installation ser.
RV Surplus Salvage
1400 W. Bristol Street Elkhart, IN 46514 574-264-5575
http://www.rvsurplussalvage.com
Salvage Direct RV's
http://www.salvagedirect.com
Shaw & Co.
6374 State Rd. 303 Albuquerque, NM 87105
(505) 877-8949
Mainly trailers and large appliances.
Singleton RV Salvage and Sales
383 Nelson Rd. Rochester, WA (360) 273-9566
Sinks, fridges, stoves, lights, awnings, roof air, propane tanks, axles,
body parts, doors, windows, jacks, and much more. Open four days a week:
Thur., Fri., Sat. and Sun.
Southweat Wheel - Trailer parts
Lubbock and Dallas, TX http://www.southwestwheel.com
State Line Salvage
51027-2 St. Rd. 13 Middlebury, IN 46540 (219) 825-7540
Van seats, tires, VCRs, TVs, drink trays, consoles and misc. van/RV
accessories.
Used RV Parts
http://www.usedrvparts.com good source for new RV parts as well
Vanderhaag's, Inc.
3809 4th Ave. W. Spencer, IA 51301
(800) 831-5164, (712) 262-7000
Oshkosh and Winnebago surplus parts, plus new and rebuilt engines,
transmissions, rearends, wheels, manifolds and rotors. Installation
available
on all parts. Free mailer available.
Walt's RV Surplus
16616 Valley Blvd. Fontana, CA 92335 (909) 823-0563, FAX (909) 823-8515
New/Surplus RV parts. Specializing in Fleetwood, National and Cobra RVs.
Weller Auto
2525 Chicago Dr. Grand Rapids, MI 49509 (616) 538-5000, FAX (616) 538-4159
Wrecked RVs - gas/diesel. Specializing in driveline components, new /
rebuilt motorhome driveshafts, used engines, used/rebuilt transmissions,
brakes, rotors, drums, Chrysler exhaust manifolds, gear ratio changes and
axles. Also, generators, appliances, roof airs, glass.
WINNEBAGO Surplus & General Store -
P.O. Box 152, Forest City, IA 50436-0152; (515) 582-6935, FAX (515)
582-6958.
Store Hours: Mon.-Fri. 9-5 & Sat. 8-12. Local time.
Window Components Mfg. Inc. - (800) 382-9541, (305) 688-2521
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John and Cindy and Misty Rain and Senor Paco(Chihuahuas)
1994 Coachmen Catalina 300 MB RD
in sunny Clyde, Calif. KE6IDM
RE: Still trying to understanding tires
Assuming you have corner weights and know what the pressure should be - which from you discussion I do not think you have - minor over inflation may give a harsher ride. Significant over inflation will cause the middle of the tire to wear faster plus give you a harsher rider.
I understand that knowing the actual weight carried by each tire may allow me to lower the PSI in the tire, but whats the harm of keeping the PSI at 95 insted of lowering it to 85 or 80 PSI?
RE: Help, furnace won't stay lit.
If you have heat pumps and it is warmer than 35 try using them.
Happy Thanksgiving fellow rv's. Went out to fire up the furnace and found that it comes on and burner lights then it will run for a few minuets then shuts down. Doe's this each time I try to fire up the furnace. The indicater on the panel says I have 1/3 tank of propane, and the gauge on the tank indicates that I have 1/4 tank of propane. It's always worked well never a problem. Any ideas? I have a 2002 Sahara Safari, I think the furnace is a Dometic, at least the roof air's are dometic, and all three are controled my a Dometic control on the wall. Thanks for any help. At least we're not on the road yet. Leaving in one month for sunny AZ.
RE: CAT 3126E block heater kicking breaker
Not the answer you are looking for but our 02 was a hard starting cold weather problem just waiting for the 40's. We got an re programed update and it fixed the problem. Check with CAT - see signature.
Well, we are leaving for Disney World in the AM and since my CAT is notoriously hard to start even when the temps get in the low 50's, I switched on the engine heater tonight. Pop! goes a breaker. I checked everything I could easily see, verified no loose connections in the breaker box but every time I turn on the engine heater, the breaker trips.
Does anyone know where on the engine the heater resides? Is it fairly easy to R & R or am I headed to either Freightliner in Gaffney or my local CAT shop?
RE: Why doesnt this unit sell ?
Who care beside you and the dealer.
This unit is an early 06 . I have noticed it just doesnt sell . Why ?
The price is to high now and this rig may become the king of lot rot .
http://www.martysusrv.com/Home/HIdden/InventoryDetails/2006/Class%20A%20Diesel/Beaver/Patriot%20Thunder/44%20Saratoga%20IV/tabid/16107/invid/401863/Default.aspx
RE: Tow Bar & The Toad
I have read on this forum about folks having the pins in the tow bar removed when they stop for lunch. We use a key that does not have a chip in it so you can not start the FROG with the key in the ignition. We lock the tow bar to the FROG and to the receiver.
The tow bar is attached to the coach via hitch receiver and a pin.
The toad is attached to the tow bar with one pin in each arm. The toad itself is in neutral and the key in the ignition. With the key in the ignition the doors can not be locked. Has anyone ever had a car stolen. ?? Is locking the toad to the tow bar, or locking the tow bar to the coach a good idea.??
RE: Radial Cracks in a Hidden Hitch
I agree and it is a continuous problem.
Hitch Issues
This is not a rant, just an observation and suggestion that everyone make it a habit of checking your MH mounted hitch
Just remember to check both hitches the one one the toad (towed, frog, etc.,) and the one on the Motor Home or Truck.
RE: What do you think of this dealer offer?
When I trade all I care about is the difference. What he gives for mine what he charges for his makes no difference. If I do not like the difference price I walk. I also tell them I want the "out the door price" no funny adders for paper work, PDI or what ever. Just give me the MSO and I will pay TTL when I register it. Based on your post you do not know what is being called MSRP. All you know is 118,000 and 27%.
I am thinking of upgrading to a new Tiffen motorhome. Got an offer of 27% off new Phaeton or Bus motorhome. Then they made an offer of $118,000 for my 2008 Monaco Knight. Monaco has every option and has 18,000 miles.
$118,000 seems way to low. What do you think?
Initial price presentation did not give specific numbers for MH and for trade. Just a net difference. I don't like this type of offer, seems to hide specifics. I mailed back and asked for a specific price for MH and one for trade. Got the trade number and I calculated the MH price.
Steve__
RE: Annual Maintenance Cost
Cost
You may want to read this but I have not updated it. We now have 80,000 miles on it and will start with tires some time next year.
Wife and I currently have a fifth wheel but are considering taking the plunge to a pusher. My question is what is a realistic dollar amount we should be considering when it comes to annual maintenance? We would be looking at a Monaco or similar quality unit in the nighborhood of 38 - 40 footer, not sure if I would need a tag axle or not but lets add that in to the equation to be safe. Use about 12,000 miles a year which, currently I believe would be high as we aren't full timers yet. What are the annual expenses "you" would consider to keep the rig in top shape?
RE: Need aux brake advice
I have towed stuff for the last 50 years and in years past never really worried about trailer brakes and/or brakes on the FROG. About 20 years ago a 3200 pound boat and trailer started to get side ways on me when the SFB in front of me did some things I did not expect. After cleaning the seat up I have since decided that when I tow I have brakes on what ever it is.
We are getting our Class A and toad outfitted to pull 4 down. We will be pulling a 2010 Chevy Equinox weighing approximately 3800 lbs.
Our installing dealer advises against an auxiliary braking system since they know of some instances (gave me names) where the brake locked up and it did major damage. Their argument is that unless we are going into Canada, for instance, the MH can handle 3800 lbs.
Even though I like my dealer, I would like to hear from some of you about this. Have you had that happen to you or do you know of someone it has happened to? Do I really need to go through the expense or installing a braking system? If so, what do you recommend and about what should I expect to pay?
I notice there is another question concerning brakes that was just posted, but it does not really answer the question I have asked here.
Thanks for your help. You are a great resource of knowledge to me.
RE: Thinking of selling my coach...Am I stupid?
Read this thread and then decide
price of used RV
Ok, here's the deal. The wife and I are thinking of pulling the plug next year and going full time. I have been offered a killer deal on a 05 Dynasty Platinum IV. Now here's the rub. My current coach is a 96 Dynasty w/109000 miles on it. Everything works perfectly, I have all the manuals etc, the 1996 build sheet from Guaranty RV in Oregon, and every receipt for every service ever done to the coach since it was new, including changing out light bulbs. It is paid for and I will have to finance the new coach. Now my question is this: NADA lists my coach for around $30-35,000. I am thinking 40-45,000. Do you think I can get this kind of money in today's market? I understand this price point for a extremely nice DP is pretty good. What do you guys think????.. thanks for your help...Dennis
RE: Diesel air intake hose torn.
IMHO you still need to get it fixed as you are now trusting to filter to protect you. I suggest the engine filter compartment area is more dirty than just getting outside air. This means it will clog the filter just that much faster.
The tears are on the intake side of the filter.
