Well, my V10 gets about 9.5-10 mpg towing, about 11 around town and upwards of 15 on the freeway. Oil changes at the dealer only run me about $31 and gasoline is cheaper than diesel around these parts. For the 10,000 miles per year that I put on the truck and the relatively light weight (5,100 lbs.) of my trailer, the V-10 was the best choice for me.
If I put more miles on the truck each year, or towed a trailer over about 8,000 lbs., I would have shelled out for the PSD.
I drive an F350 with the power stroke, I average about 15 mpg. Besides towing my 28' trailer I tow a lot of heavy loads at work. I love my truck. I got my wife the Excursion with a v-10, I like them both. Tough call. I think in the long run the Power stokre is cheaper to operate.
2002 Excursion 4x4 V-10 with prodigy (Wife's Truck)
2001 F350 Lariat Crew Cab Long Bed 4x4 PSD. (My Truck)
2003 Nomad 308
1994 FourWinns 240 Horizon
5 Daughters- an 89, 91, 92, 95, 98
I have a 2001 PSD 4x4 crew cab and absolutely love it. I have a small fifth wheel but also haul tractors and heavy loads. Trust me you will not be disappointed! I have had so many trucks in the last 5 years I can't even count but I plan on keeping this truck for a VERY long time. I can honestly say I'll have this truck til the wheels fall off
I only tow about 4000 miles/yr with fulltiming 6mths/yr so the rest is empty at 6000 miles/yr.
I get 19.2mpg empty.
I haven't towed much this year to tell towing mileage but I would be happy with 12mpg.
Thats $968/yr diesel fuel cost.
With my old gasser it was $1916/yr
A difference of $948/yr savings
I paid $2900 for the PSD option including the cost difference of the V10, $500.
That means in 36.5 months I just paid for the PSD in fuel savings. OR 37months with adding the cost of extra motor oil and filter cost uesd over a gasser.
That PSD paid me back in 30,000 miles.
I plan on keeping my F350 for 30yrs.
In 27yrs the PSD will have saved me $25,596 in fuel if fuel does not raise above $1.5/gal and we both know thats not going to happen.
I haven't even mentioned the wildass power the PSD has. WOW!
And thats why I bought the PSD!
*This Message was edited on 03-May-02 06:41 PM by T_Bone*
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Get the diesel. I have a 2002 F-350,4x4,Auto,CC,LWB. And love it I have 16,000 miles in it and has not been to the dealer since the day I purchased. I do my own oil changes and it costs about $40. Considering the 3 3/4 gallons of Delo 400 15/40w oil and a $13 Napa Gold oil filter. I get approx. 17 MPG. I also own 2 84' Ford F-250 Pickups with the 6.9 Diesel one has 230,000 still runs strong, and one with 135,000 miles.. The Navistar engine is a well proven engine. With proper oil changes they will last a long time. My mom and my step-dad run a 1994 F-350, and a 2000 F-250 Ford with the Powerstroke and they love the MPG's. IMHO If you can stand to wait a few more months there is going to be a new 6.0L Powerstroke diesel with 300HP 550Lb.Ft.Tq. and a claimed fuel MPG increase of approx. 20% over last years model. Any way those are my thoughts and experiances. Good Luck
OK - I think I'm starting to get the picture. I just have a few follow up questions. The higher maintenance for the PSD, is this mainly due to the higher oil change cost? Is the oil changed at shorter intervals? Do the turbos hold up well? I know they are troublesome and expensive on aircraft engines. Thanks for all the input.
There are a lot of formulas on the economics of gas v. diesel but a quick rule of thumb is: If you keep a truck until the wheels fall off, go diesel. If you go new every few years, gas has better economics.
Tow ratings are similar and as pointed out, in a few instances, better with the gas. I agonized over this exact issue last year. I was very worried about stink, noise, fuel availability, price, maintenance costs, etc. What finally pushed me over to the diesel was mileage, longevity and drivetrains. I keep a truck >15 yrs. I will be sick of looking at this truck before the engine needs an overhaul. (statistically speaking anyway.)
I get ~18 empty (at 70) and 11-12 towing a ~9,500 lb TT at 67-68 mph. The Ford diesel is available with a massive 6 spd. trans. built by a German company called ZF. It is really a MDT trans in a pickup. It isn't available in gas. I really wanted the Allison, but at the time, there was a two year wait for Duramaxes in my area.
I test drove the diesel with my better half and we could tell little difference in noise level at freeway speeds between the diesel and our 85 F-250 with a modified 460. At idle, the diesel is much noisier outside than the gas, but inside it isn't much different. About 2 months after we bought our new truck, our camping friends bought a truck nearly identical to ours except it is shortbed with the V-10 gas and auto. The V-10 will out accelerate my diesel very easily. Part of that is simply auto vs. stick. Everytime you shift a diesel, you lose boost from the turbo until the RPMs come back up. But the gas engine is many hundreds of lbs. lighter than the diesel and will wind up much faster. HOWEVER, unless you are into stoplight racing, there is more to the story. His TT is ~5,500 vs. my ~9,500. He will beat me to the beginning of a long grade every time, but somewhere about 3/4 of the way up a long, steep grade, I usually pass him. The higher the pass, the quicker this happens because of the turbocharger and the higher torque of the diesel. (I also have more gear choices) Both engines are very capable pullers. For towing, you really can't go wrong with either one. Oil changes are pricier on the diesel because it takes 15 qts. and a big ol' filter that is pricey. On the other hand, I don't need tune ups and I fill up at every OTHER stop we make for my friend's V-10 gas tank. I worried about cold weather and fuel availability. Both were pointless worrying. I live in Eastern WA where is gets fairly cold. No problems all winter. My only complaint is that if I don't plug the block heater in, it takes forever for the heater to put out warm air.
The only problems with getting fuel has been an occasional "missed approach" at an island that didn't have diesel. I am very sensitive to smells and still am not fond of the exhaust stink, but I have gotten used to it. It has a converter which makes it not a "pure" diesel exhaust smell. It's worse. (hard to believe, I know) There is no smell of diesel inside the truck. I am pleased with my diesel and my friend is pleased with his V-10. He does say that the diesel sounds more "professional" somehow, and I have to agree with him.
*This Message was edited on 03-May-02 07:14 PM by pulltoy*
*This Message was edited on 04-May-02 12:35 PM by PullToy*
We bought a 1999 F350 PSD CC LB DRW 4X4 on vacation last year and haven't regretted it a bit. Mileage is 13 pulling TT ~6000#, around town (lots of stopping and starting) 16, on the open road 18. Can't complain. Diesel is cheaper than regular most of the time.
We like the space the CC offers (there is more room in the cab of the F350 than we have in the Gran Marquis). The local Ford dealer (not where we bought it -- but where we bought a 2001 Expedition and 2002 Focus) charges $98 for an oil change, but the local WalMart (in a rural area that services a lot of trucks) does the same service for $47.
So far this year I have pulled our trailer approximately 3000 miles and will be pulling it another 1300 miles before the end of the month. Last year we pulled the trailer about 7000 miles and will do about the same this year.
If you are going to keep it and use it go with diesel, otherwise economics say gas is the way to go.