I realize Paul said what he hopes to add, electric remote start, but I suspect the over the counter, non deep discount's that allow some to say the Champion is a $300 generator is way off the remote start version.
I would wager a guess at a $750 price tag...???.... to consumers. When was the last time this unit was $300?
Old & Slow wrote: My interest was/is for the RV community to have a 'TRUE VALUE' Chinese MFG RV genset. Yes, it would need to be Electric Start/remote controlled and 60 dBA or lower and have a Champion name. Is that to much to shoot for?
Nope - that would be nice.
IMHO it would require an entirely new engine design - possibly water cooled - to meet the power and sound target. EPA and CARB cert would be an expensive and long process for a new engine as well. New CARB standards coming up in 2010 will also be a real challenge. It is not improbable that sales of gensets in CA will be far and few between as builders decide it is not profitable to make a CA model. No crystal ball, but the challenges facing the small engine industry to attain CARB certification will require a new paradigm. Guess CA will go back to horses and goats to cut what grass there is - provided the new methane capture devices for their back ends pass CARB as well.
Hey.... maybe CA will mandate an electric powered generator? Sorry, I got carried away with that one. Batteries and inverters do currently exist. Guess you could drag around a 1,000 pounds of golf cart batteries to run a 3,000 watt inverter. Silent, too.
BTW - Honda has discontinued their RV genset line. Not enough sales/profit I guess - even after R&D and certification were complete.
The way fuel prices are rising, we may see fewer RV's to need gensets being sold as well. Sad state of affairs, isn't it?
Goodnight All.
Professor Randy T. Agee & Nancy Agee, Mechanicsville, VA
2009 Cedar Creek 34SATS 5th Wheel - GMC 3500 dually
Generator Collection: Champion 40008 - ELM3000 - Kipor 2000Ti - Kawasaki 1400 - Champion 7,800W LPG (Home Back Up)
Old & Slow wrote: ...it would need to be Electric Start/remote controlled and 60 dBA or lower and have a Champion name. Is that to much to shoot for?...
I don't think it's too much to shoot for; I'd like to see it happen as well. A little birdie tells me it ain't gonna happen anytime soon, however---and most definitely not in the $300 price range.
CosmicVagabon wrote: but it helps me think that it's not just us CCC that feel it's relatively quiet.
Well, did he buy it or not?
You are right on the sound and it has absolutely nothing to do with a Champion Cheering Crowd.
Across the board, Champion is no louder or quieter than the Wildfire, WEN Power Pro, Pro Power, ELM3000, Nikota, UST, Onan Homesite, open frame Honda, Cummings, Chicago Pneumatic, DuroPower, Pro Force, Mac Tool, JD, Homier, Buffalo, etc,, etc,, etc. when it comes to the 3,000 watt GX200 class Chinese built open frame generators. They all use the same design of muffler, gas tank, engine shroud, fan, and air filter. Noise levels on these units fall below any similar classed Briggs & Stratton, Honda powered Northstar or Gentron. Powermate and Dewalt generators are no longer being made.
Yes he did. He liked the unit and felt like it was plenty quiet. I had used it for a year and got darn near retail for it. I had put a wheel kit on it though. If you keep em up looks like they will have good resale value.
2001 Jeep Grand Cherokee
2007 Rockwood Premier 2516G
Well, the conscience of opinion is '$300 brings lots of dependable power for our use', be it at home or on the road with our RVs. Okay, I agree. Thanks Prof, your continued efforts to bring our needs and desires to Champion is commendable. I do feel progress is in the wind and wave. For those's that might think that my one desire is to trash Champion, you are flat out wrong. I own a Champion C46540 that has never ever given me one moment of problem and operates my LCD HDTV/ monitor and PC with no add-on device. It sits in a Yellow and Black trimmed GENHOUSE/shop in a beautiful 60 dBA sound lowering enclosure. If I had a Champion flag, it would fly. My interest was/is for the RV community to have a 'TRUE VALUE' Chinese MFG RV genset. Yes, it would need to be Electric Start/remote controlled and 60 dBA or lower and have a Champion name. Is that to much to shoot for?
Floyd
It's funny, my 46540 doesn't have electric/remote start (not necessary), isn't 60 dBA or lower (mine meets all applicable standards no matter where I camp, but it does have the champion name. BUT, I do have a 'true value' Chinese Mfg RV genset. How come mine is 'true value' and yours isn't?
My harp is well tuned. If one was to listen real close they would hear the melody of 'I'm a Champion, I have the Power, 3000 watts, just plug me in and I'll light your world' so yes, another post. George, when you see OLD & SLOW on the left side of the screen, just know, tho' I 'google' sometimes, I love little Yellow & Black and all of you.
Wgeorge11 wrote: Randy.
I pray you won't find my "unformal" greeting to be too impertinent, Professor, but I just had to try it out. While I also call my wife "Judy", she too is called "professor" by her students and professional peers. Of course, I sometimes call her otherwise!
My friends, of which I believe you to be, call me Randy. But, thanks for the respectful consideration you expressed.
Well, the conscience of opinion is '$300 brings lots of dependable power for our use', be it at home or on the road with our RVs. Okay, I agree. Thanks Prof, your continued efforts to bring our needs and desires to Champion is commendable. I do feel progress is in the wind and wave. For those's that might think that my one desire is to trash Champion, you are flat out wrong. I own a Champion C46540 that has never ever given me one moment of problem and operates my LCD HDTV/ monitor and PC with no add-on device. It sits in a Yellow and Black trimmed GENHOUSE/shop in a beautiful 60 dBA sound lowering enclosure. If I had a Champion flag, it would fly. My interest was/is for the RV community to have a 'TRUE VALUE' Chinese MFG RV genset. Yes, it would need to be Electric Start/remote controlled and 60 dBA or lower and have a Champion name. Is that to much to shoot for?
Floyd
It's funny, my 46540 doesn't have electric/remote start (not necessary), isn't 60 dBA or lower (mine meets all applicable standards no matter where I camp, but it does have the champion name. BUT, I do have a 'true value' Chinese Mfg RV genset. How come mine is 'true value' and yours isn't?
I have a saying I don't always live by. "When in doubt, say or do nothing" This AM I face the Professor saying, go buy a Honda and Cosmic Vagabond say "How come mine is 'true value' and your's isn't.
I fell both of you miss my point, also MrWizard. This is my story and it is MHO, for what its worth or perhaps no value.
I bought a used MH with a DOA, OEM, genset. To repair it, was going to cost $2300 with no guarantee it would then give good service. At that time my search began for a replacement. Value was my objective. Value in the lower cost range. I my OLD mind had the thought, I was not going to give good bucks for a bad investment. In my search I arrived here on this vary thread. I started from day one reading. In my quick analysis, Champion seemed to be the answer I was looking to find. There were those good posters who left links to partsamerica.com for a Champion C46540 and at that time they left a code for the 10% discount. So for a total cost of $270 plus some small shipping and Texas State Tax, it was delivered to my door by UPS. I received a unit with no shipping damage. I was all excited. The Yellow and Black beauty was a sight to behold. Here was a little genset that could and did power my MH from the get-go with no problem. All was well. Then after the new wore off and reality set in, the noise level became more of a problem. But, Professor put us on the idea of sound reduction. A much longer story made short. 60 dBA seems to be the sound level most MFG are trying to give us RV folks. The cost at this time, for 3000 watts at around 60dBA is close to $3000 bucks. So this was my point. Why can not Champion or some other MFG give us a Chinese genset with Electric Start, Remote control with around 60 dBA for less than the cost of a Honda or Yamaha? And, with this qustion Wiz, I will end the sound of my harp, now and ever.
But, Professor, with all due respect, the little C46540 can be cooled with a Procom 1150/1250 cfm 12v/80a fan, in a controlled environment. I say this for others as I know this fact is a known to you. You seem to have reliability issues you may like to splane?
Floyd
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Old & Slow wrote: But, Professor, with all due respect, the little C46540 can be cooled with a Procom 1150/1250 cfm 12v/80a fan, in a controlled environment. I say this for others as I know this fact is a known to you. You seem to have reliability issues you may like to splane?
Ido not have reliability issues or concerns with the enclosure I custom built for my RV. I monitor the temperatures, make sure it is full of oil and not overloaded. I also find it extremely fustrating that no matter what I write, a word or phrase frequently is extracted from contex and maniuplated into something it was never intended to express. I never insinuated I had reliability issues with my conversion.
Darn, Floyd, you would make a fantistic script writer for a politication running for elected office!
But, I regress - back to the question.
Not too surprisingly, there are customers out there who buy these units that have no idea what a watt is and expect a 3,000 watt genny to provide the same level of power as the electric company does at their meter base on their house. Engines are often run with no oil, even thou they are tagged as having no oil in them when shipped. They are stuffed into dark, unventilated corners, run like the fillies at the Derby and end up like Eight Belles did last weekend. They are never given a second look or hint of maintenance.
You, I and the rest of the folks on this thread have exhibited some level of common sense and understanding of what needs to be done. Yes, we could handle a unit with sound reduction panels and maintain some semblance of reliability. I am not so sure the rest of the world could (can).
Maybe we need to hold a class and certify owners as competent before they buy such a generator?........ Just joking.
When you operate a machine on the edge of its intended usage band, you are asking for reliability issues to surface from non-savvy consumers. Enclosures of any type from the factory for these generators without redesigning many parameters would be a warranty nightmare. I fully understand why they are not available.
Now I, on the other hand, will take a Yugo and redesign it into a space ship. That's just what I do - but it does not insinuate that is what the Yugo factory should do.
I get it, Floyd. But, once again, this is no longer an "information" issue. The need and desire have been expressed and duly noted - over and over. Now it is time to move on to something new and more pertinent to the RV community about these little gennys.
Please, my friend, please. Once again, let this topic go. We agree you are right in your desire - but the thread has grown weary of the topic. It is time to move on......
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