bartleyl
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Purchased a used '07 WW that came w/o an Inverter, also has a IOTA DLS-30 Converter/Charger. Plan on upgrading batteries to (4) 6V and installing an inverter.
Couple questions:
If I went with a Xantrex Prosine 2.0 that comes with 100A charger do I need to replace the DLS-30 with a "Converter Only" model.
Or If I went with a Xantrex PRO XM1800 inverter should I upgrade the DLS-30 with a larger unit, maybe DLS-55(not sure what size) and make sure it has the Smart charging option for multistage charging.
Appreciate any ideas.
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2oldman
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The Prosine should be just fine, and you could disconnect the -30. Assuming of course your coach doesn't require both a converter AND charger, but I've never heard of such a thing. All 12v stuff should run off your batteries.
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For fast recharging with a generator you will need about 20% of amp hours in charging capacity. So 450 amp hour battery you could use 90 amps of recharge power. So the Prosine charger would work great. You can just flip the breaker on the IOTA30. If you were on utility power you could turn the inverter off and turn on the IOTA30 and it would work just fine.
If you go with an inverter with no charger the IOTA30 will be fine unless you want a rather fast recharge to minimize generator time. The 30 amp charge will take longer but not three times as long compared to the 100 amp charger. This is because the 30 amp charger will work flat out for 6 hours and the 100 amp charger will taper down and have the batteries charged in closer to 3 hours. That is my opinion of a rough estimate on recharging. Anyway you can make it work fine for now and if you want more power you can always upgrade later to the DLS75 or 90. You did not say if you had the IQ smart charger and you would need that to get decent recharge times.
I am plenty happy with my WFCO-45 charging my four GC batteries. You may find 30 amps a little light. And without the IQ or jumper putting it into boost mode it will be real weak unless you have lots of time plugged into utility power.
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bartleyl
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2oldman wrote:The Prosine should be just fine, and you could disconnect the -30. Assuming of course your coach doesn't require both a converter AND charger, but I've never heard of such a thing. All 12v stuff should run off your batteries.
I can see I need a better understanding of how the existing DLS-30 is configured into the existing electrical and where an Inverter or a Inverter w/Charger would be connected.
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bartleyl
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smkettner wrote:For fast recharging with a generator you will need about 20% of amp hours in charging capacity. So 450 amp hour battery you could use 90 amps of recharge power. So the Prosine charger would work great. You can just flip the breaker on the IOTA30. If you were on utility power you could turn the inverter off and turn on the IOTA30 and it would work just fine.
If you go with an inverter with no charger the IOTA30 will be fine unless you want a rather fast recharge to minimize generator time. The 30 amp charge will take longer but not three times as long compared to the 100 amp charger. This is because the 30 amp charger will work flat out for 6 hours and the 100 amp charger will taper down and have the batteries charged in closer to 3 hours. That is my opinion of a rough estimate on recharging. Anyway you can make it work fine for now and if you want more power you can always upgrade later to the DLS75 or 90. You did not say if you had the IQ smart charger and you would need that to get decent recharge times.
I am plenty happy with my WFCO-45 charging my four GC batteries. You may find 30 amps a little light. And without the IQ or jumper putting it into boost mode it will be real weak unless you have lots of time plugged into utility power.
I currently do not have the IQ Smart Charger but would plan on getting one along with an DLS 75-90 like you mentioned if I went with the Xantrex 1800. Thought I read a integrated IQ Smart Charger is available on some models too.
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smkettner
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MELM
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Link to Prosine 2.0. In the document downloads, you can get the manual for the inverter/charger. It has the installation requirements in it.
You will need to disconnect the Iota DLS-30. The AC breaker that is providing power to it probably powers other devices - the refer AC power is often tied to it. So, you'll have to do some tracing to determine which wire to disconnect - you may find a splice in the wire near the circuit breaker.
On the DC side, you'll need new, heavy cables from the batteries to the inverter/charger and a high current fuse. The charger portion of the inverter/charger will serve to provide power to the DC distribution panel, so you can disconnect the DC output from the Iota. You'll have to determine how to physically connect the fuse panel to the new wiring (and properly fuse it) based on where you locate the inverter/charger. If you plan to use the battery equalization feature in the Prosine, you'll need to be able to disconnect the DC distribution panel - the voltage is too high for RV DC powered "stuff" - and a little installation planning can save a lot of work later.
The charger part of the Prosine is programmable to charge almost any battery type or model - 21 algorithms are preprogrammed and you can modify them to create your own.
I believe you should also consider adding the optional battery temperature sensor that adjusts the charge rate. This can prevent damaging the batteries; especially if you camp in hot weather.
Mel
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No, you can replace the DLS-30 with... Thin air, and, possibly a wire nut or two
(you can remove it completly) the Xantrex will provide both your 12 volt (Converter) needs, and charging of the batteries and will do, at worst, as good a job, and at best a much better one. (I don't know your current converter's specs)
Basically there are a few different types of converter/chargers
Progressive Dynamics IntellaPower WITH Charge wizard: This one (And I understand there is one a competitor as well) performs an automatic "Equalize/Desulphate" run every so often For flooded wet cells it's #1 in my book. None better
True 3-stage chargers That will do equalize on manual request, Xantrex Prosine falls in this group. Very close 2nd, Very close.
True 3-stage chargers w/o the equalize feature A medium close 3rd
Single stage chargers. Far and away the worst This includes most automotive type chargers
The new "Smart Auto" chargers: These claim to be 3 stage or 3 stage PLUS but folks who have used them say they may be a bit "Anemic" on voltage levels.. Don't know for sure, have not run my own tests, won't.
Battery minders: Very slow to charge, good for what they are designed for though (Maintaining a full charge) some offer automatic de-sulphate just like the Charge Wizard.
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MELM wrote:I believe you should also consider adding the optional battery temperature sensor that adjusts the charge rate. This can prevent damaging the batteries; especially if you camp in hot weather.
Mel
Minor point of correction....the battery temperature sensor is included with the ProSine 2.0, not optional. Other than that.....good advice!
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