Quote: 22 Trucks stolen in the month of September 2007
I suspect your information is being whitewashed quite a bit by someone. I believe that there are probably 20 US Cities where more than that are stolen EVERY month let along that being the TOTAL number stolen. Good luck / Skip
RetiredbutWorking wrote: Having to put a fence and gate around a retail facility should tell you something about the level of crime in that area. Businesses in high crime areas in the US do the same thing to 'protect' their customers. Having said this, the moderator will probably delete this post as well as all the other negative posts about Mexico. Heaven forbid the truth about Mexico ever got out. It is a crime infested, corrupt country with no future. Why do you think we have so many of its citizens in this country?
You had a good post until the last 2 sentences. To refute your part about the fence being there because it's a high crime area show that you know nothing about Mexico or the Latin culture for that matter. Anywhere you go in Mexico, they view security as a normal way of life. Our home in Mexico city was in the nicest and safest part of the City, yet the norm was that the neighborhood paid to have a foot-patrol guard on each block and all homes had a 10' solid wall fence with broken glass cemented on top. Were we in a horrible part of town because they took their security to this extreme, I think not. Where we now spend 4-6 months of the year in Mexico, I feel safer than I do here in the lower part of Texas, every day of the week. Yes Mexico has crime, but a lot of the Mexican criminals have migrated to the US and some now infest your city and state. Does this make your neighborhood crime infested and corrupt, I think not, just as Mexico is not crime infested or horrible, as you seem to think.
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I have NEVER seen a fence around any Walmarts in Mexico. The Walmart in Hermosillo does not have a fence but a couple of guards that do walk around on patrol. This is also true for the Walmart in Guadalajara and Nogales Mexico. We always park in front of McDonalds which is located on the North side of the Hermosillo parking lot. As in most of Mexico, the area in front of Walmart is covered parking and we are too tall. In fact I have not seen a fence around any big lot parking lots. There is always gate and someone collecting a fee for parking as the parking is not free, except Walmart. Even in Tucson there is extra police patrols or security at the big lot parking lots, same as San Francisco. I use to have a office in SF and we had guards. Enough said, you just have to be careful EVERYWHERE! Sorry this happen, but I know you will still enjoy Mexico.
rocmoc in AZ.
I will not debate you about security in your country or mine. I know how I feel, and you know how you feel. What I will say is that on the news here in Texas I hear about cross border drug wars, car theives taking stuff south and human trafficing. In this country neighborhoods do not pay extra for foot patrols, taxes pay for a police force. For law abiding citizens, the police force here can be trusted, can you say the same in your southern neighborhood?
The Texan wrote: Mo, I would say it's probably a bigger problem in TX, AZ and CA, than it is in the interior of Mexico. No big box retail lot in the US has fencing and gated security, yet the majority of them do in the larger cities of Mexico. It does happen in Mexico, but less frequent, as they don't steal to joy ride, like the kids in the US, yet.
Having to put a fence and gate around a retail facility should tell you something about the level of crime in that area. Businesses in high crime areas in the US do the same thing to 'protect' their customers. Having said this, the moderator will probably delete this post as well as all the other negative posts about Mexico. Heaven forbide the truth about Mexico ever got out. It is a crime infested, corrupt country with no future. Why do you think we have so many of its citizens in this country?
RetiredbutWorking wrote: Having to put a fence and gate around a retail facility should tell you something about the level of crime in that area. Businesses in high crime areas in the US do the same thing to 'protect' their customers. Having said this, the moderator will probably delete this post as well as all the other negative posts about Mexico. Heaven forbide the truth about Mexico ever got out. It is a crime infested, corrupt country with no future. Why do you think we have so many of its citizens in this country?
To add to The Texan, these security measures are analogous to gates and guard shacks at US gated communities, albeit on the level of a poor country. The reason in both cases does not reflect the crime rate, but the fact that there is a relative absence of public services: community police.
As long as I've been going down, say 40+ years, homes have had walls topped with broken glass... even in communities where it's safe to stroll the streets after dark.
you've got to expect this from the mexican people down there. There is so much crime in Mexico that even the mexican nationals have fences and bars on their windows and doors. If you don't have them, you are going to get robbed. Fact not Fiction.
The Texan wrote: [...] Yes Mexico has crime, but a lot of the Mexican criminals have migrated to the US and some now infest your city and state. [....]
I agree with your position, but I'm going to nit-pick just a little. It may be true that the Mexican crime rate has dropped as criminals have moved north, but if it's true, it's very good news for all of us. From the LA Times, 2/07 (link now dead):
Quote: "Another study released Monday by the Washington-based Immigration Policy Center showed that immigrant men ages 18 to 39 had an incarceration rate five times lower than native-born citizens in every ethnic group examined. Among men of Mexican descent, for instance, 0.7% of those foreign-born were incarcerated compared to 5.9% of native-born, according to the study, co-written by UC Irvine sociologist Ruben G. Rumbaut."
So, if true, even importing Mexican criminal makes the US safer
old guy wrote: you've got to expect this from the mexican people down there. There is so much crime in Mexico that even the mexican nationals have fences and bars on their windows and doors. If you don't have them, you are going to get robbed. Fact not Fiction.
You have no idea what you are talking about. We use bars to protect our property. We don't pay for insurance like you do and then let people break into the house so then you can make an insurance claim. We follow the rule K.I.S.S. Here we think the same about you guys. How silly you are for not protecting your property.
I have bars on my windows too. I also have a wall around my property with a gate. It is aesthetically pleasing, provides safety as well as security.
In the posts on this thread I read a lot of hatred and ignorance. I hope it gets shut down.
RetiredbutWorking wrote: Having to put a fence and gate around a retail facility should tell you something about the level of crime in that area. Businesses in high crime areas in the US do the same thing to 'protect' their customers. Having said this, the moderator will probably delete this post as well as all the other negative posts about Mexico. Heaven forbid the truth about Mexico ever got out. It is a crime infested, corrupt country with no future. Why do you think we have so many of its citizens in this country?
You had a good post until the last 2 sentences. To refute your part about the fence being there because it's a high crime area show that you know nothing about Mexico or the Latin culture for that matter. Anywhere you go in Mexico, they view security as a normal way of life. Our home in Mexico city was in the nicest and safest part of the City, yet the norm was that the neighborhood paid to have a foot-patrol guard on each block and all homes had a 10' solid wall fence with broken glass cemented on top. Were we in a horrible part of town because they took their security to this extreme, I think not. Where we now spend 4-6 months of the year in Mexico, I feel safer than I do here in the lower part of Texas, every day of the week. Yes Mexico has crime, but a lot of the Mexican criminals have migrated to the US and some now infest your city and state. Does this make your neighborhood crime infested and corrupt, I think not, just as Mexico is not crime infested or horrible, as you seem to think.
I have never been on a beach in the US that required police with machine guns to keep the people on the beach from being robbed. I HAVE seen that in Mexico, Acapulco to be specific.
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