jmrkav wrote: This sounds like spin from Nissan. The Titan (and the suv made at the plant) has been dogged by quality and reliability issues for years. Reports from consumers caused CR to rate the Titan as less than average in quality. Even though Nissan located their plant south safety, production, wage and benefit issues at the plant brought some employees to request a vote on organizing. Some supervisors at the plant on the day of the vote began collecting their belongings to intimidate the workers. Ghosen called all the employees together for a little "pep" talk.
Maybe they ought to take their truck and go home.
Blah, blah, blah.....Japanese plants suck..blah, don't have unions, blah, blah....cite biased meaningless review from CR, blah blah....make up some stuff about plant safety......blah, blah, big bad Japanese company trying to intimidate workers to keep them out of the union per a union newspaper.
Dude, give it a rest. You are like a g damn broken record. We get it. You are one who would eat poop if the Union said it was steak and you hate the Japanese. Now can there be a thread you do not pollute with off topic union biased garbage and nonsense?
Isn't this the Nissan Lovers web site? I'm just the conscience you don't possess. It's interesting, you always demand proof from viewpoints you don't like but don't demand that from other views. Usually right before you start off color and personal attacks. Says something.
1) Titan sales are low.
2) Nissan leadership is aware and concerned.
But now my personal take in addition to the above:
3) Sales are low because there aren't enough Titan configurations to compete with the "best".
4) Nissan thought it was cost effective to only make V8 models with king or crew cabs. Hell they were so cheap, that the frame is the same size on all Titans from 2004-2007. So if you got a king cab, you got a longish bed, but if you got a crew cab, you got a short bed.
5) If Nissan thought they could seriously outsell Toyota and Dodge, and approach GM and Ford, with the limited configurations, then they're dumb.
6) You can't "half-ass" the truck market in America. We Americans are too keen. Toyota (whether you like em or hate em) is pretty interesting. First came the T-100...a great truck, but it was V6 only, and wasn't nearly as big as the competition. Second came the Tundra...they offered more choices and was scaled to be about 15/16ths of the competition. But the third try (the new Tundra is spot on competitive)....now all people have to say is "frame flex", "weak tailgates", and "pricey". I can name 3 cons on every single truck for sale right now too.
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Supercharged wrote: 4-in-a-fiver and my statments make the same amount of since.
Keith99RS wrote: (snip)
LOL Die hard Datsun/Nissan truck owner huh? That is pretty good since the Titan is only 4 years old and Datsun has been dead for what? 20 years and Nissan had a bout a 5 year hiatus on building pickups altogether between the Frontier and the Hard Body. Since most builders I know don't use mid or compact trucks do tell us what he was driving as a die hard?? A die hard would get past the looks and enjoy the comfort and performance.
wow. your on a roll. Don't know what your problem is but guess you don't agree with my old builder reasons for dropping Nissen vehicles trucks. From your BS your usually throwing at other folks type comments tells me you was still krappin' yeller' when that old man first started driving/buying Datsuns. Robo cop was his difinition, not mine BUT the dang things are sure ugly.
Took me 5 minutes to decipher that THAR silly sentence above....but me thinks me gots it now....LOL
HAHAHAHAHA!!! LOL!!
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I can hardly handle the overwhelming love and "pat on the back" support going on between these posting Titan owners. So many loving posts from such a small percentage of U.S. and Canada full size truck owners. Wouldn't it be very kind of you guys to go pat your dealers on the back, offer them a cold beer, and buy a second Titan to help change Nissan's CEO's mind? Out of the 1,953,152 full sized only pickups sold so far in 2007, 60,961 were Nissan Titan's. That's a whopping 3.12%. There's only 5 manufacturers of full sized pickups and 4 of them comprise approx 97% of the sales. Are you still wondering why Nissan's CEO made the statement he did? Makes me wonder why 97% of the truck purchasers didn't want to be a part of such a love fest? Do the 97% know something the 3% doesn't? A love fest won't do anything for the sales numbers but buying a second Titan will.
I noticed "roman 11" didn't include Ford F Series sales numbers in his post. Since it was omitted I'll post it.
Ford F Series sales thru Nov. 2007 are 635,520
GM Silverado - Sierra sales are 753,168
Dodge Ram Sales are 326,177
Toyota Tundra sales are 177,336
Nissan Titan sales are 60,961
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Total sales are 1,953,152
Carry on boys!!!
So Nutz.. let me get this straight, you believe that the right thing to do is buy a vehicle because other people bought one? I am just trying to clarify the reasons behind the sales stats. What does it mean?
Nope! I don't think an individual should buy a particular vehicle because other people bought one. An individual may be better off with their knowledge, loyalties, mind set, to buy what turns their crank or stirs their brew. They pay their own money for it and receive the product they purchased. Be it good or bad or just average. Is it possible for you to think there are reasons some brands/models/abilities etc have such higher sales of a particular vehicle? What do the masses know that the few don't know? The intense pro-Titan few seem intent on attempting a brain washing of the members that read and/or post on this forum is constant from thread to thread. However, somebody is not listening because the sales are constantly in the tank. When even the Nissan CEO recognizes their truck offering is going nowhere and says so publicly, he has come to grips with the obvious. That obvious with the fact that 97% of the truck buyers have turned their heads away from purchasing a Titan. Shouldn't that pretty much explain it all? If an offering doesn't sell, it's nearly always dropped from the product line. There's no free rides in the marketplace. It's put up or shut up! Perhaps you may have noticed I have not stated once on this entire thread that the Titan is a good truck or a bad truck. It's the consumer who makes that distinction with where they spend their dollars. Maybe you don't feel that 3% (60,961) of a 2 million truck sales market is dismal but Nissan's CEO does. Last time I looked he's the boss and makes the real decisions. He has stockholders/financial people/bottom line and interests to answer to and has ZERO chance of faking or candy coating it.
I have no desire to bash any vehicle offering but I do have a desire to tell truthful facts. Obvious that many on the forums/etc can't even see there's actually trees in the woods because the forest blocks their view. O'well!!!
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jmrkav wrote: This sounds like spin from Nissan. The Titan (and the suv made at the plant) has been dogged by quality and reliability issues for years. Reports from consumers caused CR to rate the Titan as less than average in quality. Even though Nissan located their plant south safety, production, wage and benefit issues at the plant brought some employees to request a vote on organizing. Some supervisors at the plant on the day of the vote began collecting their belongings to intimidate the workers. Ghosen called all the employees together for a little "pep" talk.
Maybe they ought to take their truck and go home.
Blah, blah, blah.....Japanese plants suck..blah, don't have unions, blah, blah....cite biased meaningless review from CR, blah blah....make up some stuff about plant safety......blah, blah, big bad Japanese company trying to intimidate workers to keep them out of the union per a union newspaper.
Dude, give it a rest. You are like a g damn broken record. We get it. You are one who would eat poop if the Union said it was steak and you hate the Japanese. Now can there be a thread you do not pollute with off topic union biased garbage and nonsense?
Isn't this the Nissan Lovers web site? I'm just the conscience you don't possess. It's interesting, you always demand proof from viewpoints you don't like but don't demand that from other views. Usually right before you start off color and personal attacks. Says something.
....and you never give proof other than stuff from a Union publication. My concience is just fine BTW. Some of the money I paid Nissan went to support Americans working in the plant that builds. them. If you are so ignorant to think all profit from foreign vehicle sales is shipped overseas to the motherland, you need to go back to school. Those companies are paying salaries, utilities, insurance and through all that putting money back into a local economy like all other manufacturers.
Nutz, You are basing your sales estimates on an uneven ground. The Big 3 sales include ALL their models. That would be the SD and HD models that Nissan does not even manufacture. Make the number 1/2 ton only and they get a lot closer. In fact the Tundra out sold the 1500 GMC Sierra so far this year. The Titan is not a huge cost anchor to Nissan. It is paying for itself. Once again, it is their 3rd best selling vehicle. Ford and GM have sold more than or almost as many total trucks as Nissan has total vehicle sales this year. NIssan has sold around 700,000 total cars and trucks BTW. The Titan was never intended to outsell any of them, just give Nissan a piece of the profit pie in the light truck segment. From appearances it is doing just that. I'm not pimping the Titan in this post. Just showing how some here are jumping on numbers that are not comparable.
May I remind you that corporate pickup sales ARE corporate pickup sales and cherry picking wouldn't set well with investors/financial segments. It is the whole division or gambit, not a cherry picked selection, that makes the bottom line. Food for thought! Investors don't like making excuses, they only care about results, PERIOD! The CEO must make sure positive results happen or he won't be there. GUARANTEED!!!
Nope! I don't think an individual should buy a particular vehicle because other people bought one. An individual may be better off with their knowledge, loyalties, mind set, to buy what turns their crank or stirs their brew. They pay their own money for it and receive the product they purchased. Be it good or bad or just average. Is it possible for you to think there are reasons some brands/models/abilities etc have such higher sales of a particular vehicle? What do the masses know that the few don't know? The intense pro-Titan few seem intent on attempting a brain washing of the members that read and/or post on this forum is constant from thread to thread. However, somebody is not listening because the sales are constantly in the tank. When even the Nissan CEO recognizes their truck offering is going nowhere and says so publicly, he has come to grips with the obvious. That obvious with the fact that 97% of the truck buyers have turned their heads away from purchasing a Titan. Shouldn't that pretty much explain it all? If an offering doesn't sell, it's nearly always dropped from the product line. There's no free rides in the marketplace. It's put up or shut up! Perhaps you may have noticed I have not stated once on this entire thread that the Titan is a good truck or a bad truck. It's the consumer who makes that distinction with where they spend their dollars. Maybe you don't feel that 3% (60,961) of a 2 million truck sales market is dismal but Nissan's CEO does. Last time I looked he's the boss and makes the real decisions. He has stockholders/financial people/bottom line and interests to answer to and has ZERO chance of faking or candy coating it.
I have no desire to bash any vehicle offering but I do have a desire to tell truthful facts. Obvious that many on the forums/etc can't even see there's actually trees in the woods because the forest blocks their view. O'well!!!
Nutz I still think it comes down to the individual and what transportation fits them best. I'm not concerned about whether or not Nissan continues to build trucks either. I am trying to figure out what your point is? Is it to show some sort of success for one maker and not the other? If so, why? For those guys that currently own the Titan those numbers aren't reflective to their satisfaction of ownership. Those should only matter to someone with financial interest in the corp's performance.
The masses don't know anything, they buy on advertising, what they have grown to learn from their parents and the desire to spend as little money as possible. The few are the ones who are members of forums like this one. In my entire extended family there are only two people that would be interested in knowing what sales figures are, and neither of us would factor it in on a vehicle purchase. The rest want their car to look nice and serve their purpose. They might have even done a little research on the vehicle they purchased, but statistics for the previous/current year's sales never came up. I am just trying to say that those numbers don't make any of those vehicles any better or worse, it just shows a trend of who is better at selling cars. I caught a blip of sales goals once for the Nissan, I think it was actually last year and I seem to remember even their goals were set much lower than the rest.
The wife and I talked about this yesterday, she asked why we never see any commercials for Nissan anymore, I didn't really know how to answer. It looks like the advertising is just a pinch of what the rest of the makers put out, but it surely didn't take away that satisfaction we both have for purchasing her SUV.
If it wasn't for forums like this one, I might not have even known what an Armada was but even after seeing charts like these every few months and knowing that Nissan was at the bottom of the sales figures it didn't keep me from buying and honestly, I could pretty much buy whatever vehicle I want.
Also, it is noted that you haven't really been bashing or anything like that.
Perhaps you live in a dream world. What do sales numbers mean? Everything to the longevity or success of a product or corporation, that's all. Think about it!!! You buy a product that doesn't sell enough to be competitive and the product disappears from the marketplace. You are left with a "dinosaur" that may or may not have adequate repair etc support. It has happened to thousands upon thousands of products. Could you have noticed when Oldsmobile and Plymouth etc quit there was almost an instant reaction on the resale value for already owned Oldsmobile and Plymouths. We won't even include Yugo, hahaha. The present owners will be taking it in the shorts eventually. Note that almost all vehicles purchased new will be resold one or several more times but at what selling price? Perhaps, you like taking it in the shorts but the MASSES don't.
What a uninformed comment! "The masses don't know anything" They merely set the standard!!! A few voices are seldom heard but the "masses speak loudly. Your dream world is astounding! The "masses" are telling you something very important. Note! The "masses" didn't embrace the "Yugo", AMC, Studebaker, Nash, Packard, on and on, thousands of examples and where are these countless products now? Nissan's CEO is telling you something and you refuse to listen. Could the reason for very few commercials have any thing to do with throwing good money at a dead horse that hasn't shown acceptable returns? There used to be lots of commercials and advertisement for Titan's but what has it helped. The basement is still the basement. Bottom of the heap.
You have constantly bragged about your Armada. That's great as you are happy with it and I hope you always are. I personally have no positive or negative opinions on Armada's. I do know that everyone is not happy with their Armada's including my brothers daughter and her husband in Florida south of Sarasota. They bought 2, both white, and both were traded due to major mechanical etc problems. DW and I used to jokingly refer to them as the "un-pigmented twins" since they were identical and both white. One was replaced with a Yukon and the other with a Tahoe after they had enough. Directly from their mouths were the words "they would never have another Armada". One had the trailer hitch bolts pull right thru the vehicle structure when pulling their 22 ft twin outboard skiff boat out on the launching ramp. Her Hubby says the Tahoe pulls like a bull and the Armada like a shuddering toy. His words, not mine. So not everyone IS happy with their Armada. Again, I am not bashing Armada but I am telling what I know to be factual.
It's great that we have so many choices and can buy what suits our fancy, ego, budget, or needs. We live with what we purchase whether it be good, bad, or average. When we sell, trade, or dispose of a product is when we can reflect back on the value we received for the money spent in total.
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