Quote: I cant even start to debate with such a person of high knowledge as yourself, i can only go by my past experience's with my previous 4 dodges. If you would like i can see if i still have the service slips from my previous 05.
I never said toyota is better then the nissan, just tried to point out a couple different aspects. I think after 4 years of mechanical engineering followed up with 4 more in software i can figure out how having a lower final drive ratio would provide more torque to the rear wheels.
Jeep... your earlier post
just want to point a couple differences between your armarda and the sequoia.
armada: Less HP and Torque, 5 speed auto and 3:357 gears(nissan lists a lower final with tow package but nothing speciffic).
Sequoia: more pwr and torque, 6 speed auto and 4:30 gears. with the gearing and extra over drive it is very easy to keep the 5.7 in its sweet spot.
Honestly i dont care for the looks of either one...
why were you pointing them out if not to say it was better than the Armada. My question was How is it changing the rules? I didnt want a debate with you, like I have said a boatload of times, the Toyota Sequoia looks really really nice and am sure it is a great vehicle. So is your Tundra. just fine. I never once claimed that having a lower ratio was better for a vehicle, what I said was it wasn't as important as many people think. The ratio of that vehicle hasn't hindered it in any way nor is there any issue finding a sweet spot. It is that simple. The thing is, I honestly don't care, my TV is my Cummins diesel and it does a fine job of that. PM me so we can discuss your engineering/software experience. All 8 years of it.
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Although the Sequoia SR5's standard engine is the familiar 4.7-liter V8 rated at 276 horsepower and 314 pound-feet of torque, it's expected that 90 percent of buyers will choose the 5.7-liter V8 introduced by the new Tundra pickup. The new V8 is optional for the SR5 and standard for other 2008 Toyota Sequoias.
We can't argue with that choice. Not only does the 5.7-liter have impressive specs — 381 hp at 5,600 rpm and 401 lb-ft at 3,600 rpm — it manages to help disguise the second-generation Sequoia's massive weight gain, some 500-600 pounds (depending on the trim level). This big V8 and its six-speed automatic transmission add only 50 more pounds over the 4.7-liter and its five-speed auto.
Toyota claims a two-wheel-drive Sequoia 5.7 will hit 60 mph in 7 seconds flat. After driving around in a fully loaded, four-wheel-drive Platinum model, we believe it. Low-end engine torque is abundant, and passing maneuvers come and go in an instant. Exhaust tuning is quieter for the Sequoia than the Tundra, and it leaves you with the impression that the big V8 isn't even breaking a sweat.
Plus, the six-speed automatic always seems to be on its game with gear selection, something we noticed even while towing a 24-foot boat. We scarcely noticed the load, though with a gross combined weight of 12,565 pounds (against a 17,280-pound GCWR) and flat roads with a speed limit of 55 mph, this wasn't an extreme test.
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rjsd1 wrote: — 381 hp at 5,600 rpm and 401 lb-ft at 3,600 rpm
Try keeping it in the SWEET SPOT while towing. I bet that engine would sound sweet at the above rpm's towing for 6 or 7 hours down the road.
And the figures for a Tahoe and Expedition are...
I have towed a TT with a Expediton that was well below the 9000 lb tow limit and it had to turn many rpm's to keep speed on the slightest of grades - not fun. The Tahoe has a 7700lb limit. This was not an attack of Toyota but of using SUV's in general as tow vehicles instead of just family transportation. I'm not saying you can't or should not use a suv for towing (I used one for years,now a daily driver)just performance wise maybe there not the best suited for towing.
Funny, my Expedition doesn't do that. You're sure huh? Only has 4 speeds too. 140,000 miles, 60,000 miles towing in the Sierras.
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cillyone wrote: YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NISSANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO WITH OTHER MANUFACTURERS RATIOS!!!!
REPEAT AFTER ME...
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NISSANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO WITH OTHER MANUFACTURERS RATIOS!!!!
NISSAN DOES A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE REDUCTION IN THE TRANSMISSION COMPARED TO OTHER MANUFACTURERS.
The Armada/Titan tow package 3.357 ratio is approximately equal to a conventionally-thought of 4.10 ratio. The earth does not revolve around a 1:1 4th transmission gear.
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cillyone wrote: YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NISSANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO WITH OTHER MANUFACTURERS RATIOS!!!!
REPEAT AFTER ME...
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NISSANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO WITH OTHER MANUFACTURERS RATIOS!!!!
NISSAN DOES A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE REDUCTION IN THE TRANSMISSION COMPARED TO OTHER MANUFACTURERS.
The Armada/Titan tow package 3.357 ratio is approximately equal to a conventionally-thought of 4.10 ratio. The earth does not revolve around a 1:1 4th transmission gear.
I love it! So true.
Not true. 2008 Armada
Drivetrain 4-Wheel Drive
Trans Type 5
Trans Description Cont. Automatic w/OD
First Gear Ratio (:1) 3.83
Second Gear Ratio (:1) 2.37
Third Gear Ratio (:1) 1.52
Fourth Gear Rato (:1) 1.00
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1) 0.83
Reverse Ratio (:1) 2.61
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) 3.36
Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), High 1.00
Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), Low 2.60
2008 Toyota Sequoia
Drivetrain: 4-Wheel DriveTrans Type: 6Trans Description Cont.: Automatic w/ODFirst Gear Ratio (:1): 3.33Second Gear Ratio (:1): 1.96Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.35Fourth Gear Rato (:1): 1.00Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.73Sixth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.59Reverse Ratio (:1): 3.06Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), High: 2.62Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), Low: 1.00 Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1)4.30
2008 Armada has a 12.8688 overall 1st gear ratio (3.83x3.36) and a 2.788 overall 5th gear ratio (3.83x3.36) that is not as low as the 2008 Toyota Sequoia's 14.319 (3.33x4.30) or as high as the Sequoia's 2.537 (.59x4.30) overall 6th gear ratio that gives the 2008 Toyota Sequoia the edge at both ends.
rjsd1 wrote: — 381 hp at 5,600 rpm and 401 lb-ft at 3,600 rpm
Try keeping it in the SWEET SPOT while towing. I bet that engine would sound sweet at the above rpm's towing for 6 or 7 hours down the road.
And the figures for a Tahoe and Expedition are...
I have towed a TT with a Expediton that was well below the 9000 lb tow limit and it had to turn many rpm's to keep speed on the slightest of grades - not fun. The Tahoe has a 7700lb limit. This was not an attack of Toyota but of using SUV's in general as tow vehicles instead of just family transportation. I'm not saying you can't or should not use a suv for towing (I used one for years,now a daily driver)just performance wise maybe there not the best suited for towing.
Funny, my Expedition doesn't do that. You're sure huh? Only has 4 speeds too. 140,000 miles, 60,000 miles towing in the Sierras.
Yep! We still have the Expy and drive it every day. We love our Expy its a very good driving suv except the mpg suck. Its an 03 2wd and it gets about 14mpg not towing. We did tow a larger TT than you have in your signature (25ft). On flat ground it was okay but the hills just killed it. (5.4 3.73)
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cillyone wrote: YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NISSANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO WITH OTHER MANUFACTURERS RATIOS!!!!
REPEAT AFTER ME...
YOU CAN'T COMPARE THE NISSANS FINAL DRIVE RATIO WITH OTHER MANUFACTURERS RATIOS!!!!
NISSAN DOES A HIGHER PERCENTAGE OF THE REDUCTION IN THE TRANSMISSION COMPARED TO OTHER MANUFACTURERS.
The Armada/Titan tow package 3.357 ratio is approximately equal to a conventionally-thought of 4.10 ratio. The earth does not revolve around a 1:1 4th transmission gear.
I love it! So true.
Not true. 2008 Armada
Drivetrain 4-Wheel Drive
Trans Type 5
Trans Description Cont. Automatic w/OD
First Gear Ratio (:1) 3.83
Second Gear Ratio (:1) 2.37
Third Gear Ratio (:1) 1.52
Fourth Gear Rato (:1) 1.00
Fifth Gear Ratio (:1) 0.83
Reverse Ratio (:1) 2.61
Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1) 3.36
Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), High 1.00
Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), Low 2.60
2008 Toyota Sequoia
Drivetrain: 4-Wheel DriveTrans Type: 6Trans Description Cont.: Automatic w/ODFirst Gear Ratio (:1): 3.33Second Gear Ratio (:1): 1.96Third Gear Ratio (:1): 1.35Fourth Gear Rato (:1): 1.00Fifth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.73Sixth Gear Ratio (:1): 0.59Reverse Ratio (:1): 3.06Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), High: 2.62Transfer Case Gear Ratio (:1), Low: 1.00 Final Drive Axle Ratio (:1)4.30
2008 Armada has a 12.8688 overall 1st gear ratio (3.83x3.36) and a 2.788 overall 5th gear ratio (3.83x3.36) that is not as low as the 2008 Toyota Sequoia's 14.319 (3.33x4.30) or as high as the Sequoia's 2.537 (.59x4.30) overall 6th gear ratio that gives the 2008 Toyota Sequoia the edge at both ends.
WOW, who would have thought a 6 speed tranny would have a wider gear ratio spread than a 5 speed!! I wonder if the 5 speed is wider than a 4 speed or even a 3 speed?? DUH, thanks for the earth shattering info, again and again and again!
BTW, what is not true? If you look at YOUR OWN data, all the Sequoia tranny gears are equal to or taller than the Armadas BECAUSE the Nissan does MORE of the overall gear reduction in the transmission, where the Toy does more at the axle.
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