juzplanekrazy -
You will probably have the extra class added to your license when it is issued next. If anything happens meanwhile, it will come up in the CHP & DMV data bases.
Mine is just fro the 'rec. trailer endorsement' and they put a sticker on the back of my current lic. They said that the paperwork that I had at the DMV would be sent to Sacramento, for the permanent record.
sticker: 'May tow fifth-wheel recreational trailer between 10,001 and 15,000 pounds GVWR.'
What I have read and been told is that others have only been given a card with either the trailer or non-com A endorsement on it. I figure I'm one of the lucky ones with a sticker.
Good luck with the non-com A.
I'm Glad I don't live in Canada!
See 'ya on top
Yes I am - you're splitting hairs here ...
Call it the registered GVW, reported GVW or whatever you like. As you noted this number is associated with the trailer, not the plates attached to it. Without weighing the trailer this is the only number the MTO has to work with short of contacting the manufacturer unless your manufacturer's weight sticker is still attached, and they can be anywhere making them hard to locate.
Rick
gitane59 wrote: Rick:
Are you refering to the weight of the trailer as indicated on your ownership certificate? this is the GVWR of the trailer not it's RGW. RGW pertains to jurisdictional licensing permits costs.
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Well i had my roadtest yesterday for my A got it one week after i did the written passed no problem just took my single axle with juice brakes and trailer with a bobcat on it. So now the MTO can blow cant wait to drive by them with a set of doubles seadoo trailer hooked on to the back of the fuzion.
2008 Fuzion 373
2008 GMC 3500 Summit White CC Dually 4x4 Duramax SLE Sunroof DVD player 8'6" Arctic Plow 20 Drawtite 5th Wheel Hitch
1997 Seadoo GTX
1969 Dodge Charger R/T 440 Mag
2005 GMC 3500 SRW 4x4 Onyx Black
On April 24, 2008, the Ministry of Transportation(Ontario Canada) announced the introduction of a new restrictive license condition "R" for Class A drivers. This new license restriction will be applied to drivers who pass a Class A road test using a smaller truck-trailer combination, such as a pick-up truck pulling a large recreational, horse, or utility trailer, and prohibit them from driving larger more complex tractor trailers. This will ensure that only applicants who demonstrate their ability to safely drive a full-size tractor trailer will be issued a full privilege class A driver's license. A public education period will be in effect Until June 16, 2008, the date the new rule becomes effective.
To see the whole deal: Location: Ministry Home> Drivers & Vehicles> Driver Licensing> Getting a Drivers License>Restricted Class A License
In my opinion: I believe they are doing it wrong, because in Ontario you also require a Class Z air brake endorsement to drive a transport truck (unless somebody knows of a transport truck that does not have air brakes)
Instead of down grading a Class A, they should be upgrading a class G to say a GRV.
Currently: If you are towing any of the above mentioned trailers over 4,600 kg. You have to go to a Drivers Test location, to get a Medical Report (they actually print one with your current drivers license number on it, along with your name and physical address. You then need to get your eye exam for part of the information and then your family doctor to get the rest of the information.
Once you have this you take it back and if the clerk approves the medical(*see my experience below) you can take the written test based on THE OFFICIAL MTO TRUCK HAND BOOK (yes that is correct the same one a full eighteen wheeler driver needs to know, drivers logs, circle checks, how many hours they are allowed to drive etc.) Nothing at all to do with towing your RV up north for the weekend.
Once you have successfully passed the Medical & Written test you book an appointment to take your rig down and do a Road Test. (please note: most of these Driver Test Centre's are in densely populated high traffic area's of the city. Places where most RV's in their right minds would stay away from. Big difference hauling your rig up the highway than in city traffic during business hours. Remember a Transport Truck Driver has to be able to drive in these locations to do their pick-ups and deliveries, but most RV's that I know would avoid these locations like the plague.
Anyway if you successfully pass all three of the above steps, you will legally be allowed to get your Restrictive Class A license and haul your rig up the road.
Another note: Remember if you operate a vehicle without the correct license you are breaking the law and if in an accident you will likely find that you are not covered by insurance that you have made the annual payments on for years.
*I am in the middle of it now: I got my medical, and because I had heart surgery in April of 2004 (a Valve repair, no heart attach or anything) the clerk sent my medical away to the Ministry, and gave me a copy back with a DriveTest Note stating: Your Medical has been recieved today 08/05/08 and is being forwarded to the Ministry of Transportation Medical Review Section.
Processing will take approximately 5 to 8 weeks, depending on the nature of the information being reviewed.
So all you baby boomer RV's that have ever had any health problems or surgery BEWARE our life styles can be changed by a twenty year old clerk that has no experience reading medical reports. For me it means I lose the opening of motorcycle season rallies such as the ride for site and numerous other events that I bought my toy hauler to attend.
I have already been to my MPP but I think it will take thousands of us to write our MPP's to get a more reasonable solution to this problem. All I know is that I am 65 years old, worked hard all my life until retirement last year, have $200,000 tied up in my 2008 F-450 and my 42' toy hauler and I can't pull it out of my driveway. Time wait's for no man and I suddenly find I can not pursue my life long dream of RV travel.
And there is no law requiring the RV seller to advise that you require a class A license to tow these vehicles over 4,600 kg
Herculez
Britt is absolutely correct about NC .... as has been noted with others experience with DMV offices, I had to tell the folks at our local office about the requirement .... the written test covered the first three chapters of the CDL manual and the test drive was a simple trip around the block .... I'll bet you that 9 out of 10 NC drivers are doing so without the proper license
Jim
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Why are there two different License discussions going at the same time here? One on U.S. state licenses and one on Canadian licenses. This post is way beyond confusing and old.
In Pennsylvania, driver’s licenses are issued specifically for the class and type of vehicle you operate. Therefore, the class of driver’s license you should have depends specifically upon the type of vehicle you operate. Generally speaking, the majority of applicants for a Pennsylvania driver’s license will be operators of regular passenger vehicles, pick-up trucks or vans.
Classes of Driver's Licenses
Non-commercial Driver's Licenses
* CLASS A (minimum age 18): Required to operate any combination of vehicles with a gross weight rating of 26,001 pounds or more, where the vehicle(s) being towed is/are in excess of 10,000 pounds. Example: Recreational Vehicle, when the towing vehicle is rated at 11,000 pounds and the vehicle towed is rated at 15,500 pounds (total combination weight of 26,500 pounds).
* CLASS B (minimum age 18): Required to operate any single vehicle rated in excess of 26,000 pounds. Example: Motor homes rated at 26,001 pounds or more
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