bains
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We are planning on taking the ‘poor mans’ inland water way cruise with our fifth wheel and then head up to Anchorage inland from Haines. We will be leaving Prince Rupert and going through Ketchikan, Prince of Wales Island, Mitkof Island and on to Juneau and Haines via the Alaska Ferry and the Inter-Island Ferry.
As we travel I had planned to take at least four 5 gallon containers of gasoline – for emergency use and for the generator. They would be in the back of our truck bed.
I am confused about the regulations for ferry travel. It seems that the gasoline containers need to be empty and then they must be stowed by the ferry crew. Other places I looked seemed to indicate that any container must be ‘purged’ according to some standard.
What is the actual protocol?
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explorenorth
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From http://www.dot.state.ak.us/amhs/TravelOptions/Details/index.html :
"Small portable containers of fuel (5 gallons or less, and limited to 2 containers) are also permitted on board AMHS vessels, but they must be properly sealed, labeled with the owner's name for identification, and turned over to an AMHS employee for proper storage while en route. For more information on transporting hazardous materials, call the port captain's office in Juneau at (907) 465-8801."
So they can be full, but you can only take 2 of them.
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bains
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Well I was more interested if they could more than two if they were empty? Maybe I have to call the Alaska Ferry Folks.
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The actual answer based on telephone discussion with folks is dependent on the ferry system and how the material is carried:
Alaska Marine Ferry (DOT) considers gasoline a hazardous material
• Two each 6 gal containers of gasoline are allowed. The containers must be marked with the owners name and contact information and will be stored by staff while underway.
• There is no limit on the number of empty 5 gallon containers allowed according to Jeff, a supervisor in the Juneau office. It is not clear whether these containers must be marked with the owners name and contact information. Under some interpretations of the regulation they could be considered as requiring a purge process and label by an approved agency but apparently this is waived for 5 gallon containers.
• Boat gas inside a self contained container for the boat is OK but any external tanks are covered by the 6 gallon container rule mentioned previously.
Alaska Inter-island Ferry has different regulations
• 30 gal of gasoline in containers is allowed. The containers must be marked with the owners name and contact information and will be stored by staff while underway. The effect is that six each 5 gallon containers with fuel are allowed.
• There is no limit on the number of empty containers allowed. It is not clear whether these containers must be marked with the owners name and contact information.
• Boat gas inside a self contained container for the boat is OK but any external tanks are covered by the six container rule mentioned previously.
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Ozimo
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They also must be DOT approved containers.
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Tee Jay
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"Empty" may mean never filled. It does under some regulations.
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dirtengineer
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You can always buy some in Haines. By the way, check out the Hammer museum in Haines - it is a scream.
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ronday
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Took the ferry from Skagway to Haines last May. Had a 3 gallon gas can and a 5 gallon diesel can mounted on the back of my truck camper. Had to put them in the paint locker myself, no shipboard help. Not fun carrying full cans in the tight space between RVs. Ron Day
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Ron - 29 yrs HS Tech Teacher (ret) 24 yrs USN/USNR Chief (ret)
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bains
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Tee Jay mentioned that the gas cans may have to be unused. As I mentioned under some interpretations of the regulation they could be considered as requiring a purge process and label by an approved agency but apparently this is waived for 5 gallon containers.
My sense is that the InterIsland Ferry regulation are more forgiving since that transportation method is a local transportation infrastructure funded and supported locally. The Alaska DOT ferry may be more hidebound but during the telephone conversation they said it was OK.
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