DSteiner51
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This past week a friend of mine wanted me to find some axle codes for him. I went on the internet to find them and while doing that I chased some rabbits off the trail. One place I ran across that I wish I would have bookmarked stated some fancy federal laws with their numbers and their interpretations. It used the same example you use above. Very interesting and explains why I can modify my truck to lower or higher standards without breaking any laws, for example, lift kits, etc. Then I read your posts in "tow vehicles." You are right on. 100% correct. Do you know where I may have been on the internet? I can't find it now. Your posts and that piece should be required reading by every want to be weight police.
It mentioned that the tag certifies that at the time I, the original purchaser purchase that truck with a given size tire (stated on tag) and tire pressure (stated on tag) it met the GAWR, GVWR, etc. as a minimum but there is no law which says I can't change the tire size or pressure which then renders that tag useless. The tag is not required to be on the vehicle or can be painted over. I know when I changed over a cab and when my rear door on the old Ranger were replaced it was not there.
It just amazes and amuses me that the less one knows about a given topic the more expert and qualified they are to discuss it as law on RV.net. I would sure like to find it again to blast the weight police and expose their true colors. I know it won't do any good but for entertainment purposes and irritate the moderator. 
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cruiserjs
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The biggest 'danger' is if yopu need warranty work on your truck or trailer theat might realte to weight issues the manufacturer can ask for weights before they will approve warranty work. This did happen to me when my previous 2001 Chevy) overheated while under warraty and when the mechanic called GM did require him to have the trailer weighed! And yes - I was under the GVWR! so it turned out OK. First time this ever happened to us.
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JIMNLIN
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sorry folks but we are tied to the truck manufactors GVWR, unless the truck has a uprate GVWR registration, and GAWRS from the door tag. Those come under NHTSA/FMCSA/FMVSS 49 CFR motor vehicle regs for under 10k and over 10k vehicles and in the trailer life sticky mentioned. 1500/2500/3500 size trucks has nothing to do with max axle loads. As a ex (retired) commercial LEGAL DOT hauler I find this web is very intertaining in somes posters lack of what regs we tow under regarding GVWR/GAWRs for our non commercial and commercial vehicles. Lots of claims made with just opinions. Read those regs and check with your state DOT or DPS on how those 49 CFR motor vehicle regs pertaining to our under 10k and over 10k size tow vehicles. Now having said that keeping up with the different states DOT/DPS laws is very frustrating. Someone says the tag is usless and not required to be on the vehicle. The tag is a fed requirment Per FMVSS/FMCSA and NHTSA same 49 CFR part 567.4 . Check it out. Also for look at those same NHTSA regs pertaining to altered vehicles regarding missing/changing the door tag per part 567.7 .
Make all the claims you want about GVWR and GAWRs meaning but those NHTSA/FMCSA/FMVSS 49 CFR regs are to be followed by the states. Fed monies will be withheld till that state is in compliance. See your state or the states DPS/DOT you will be passing through for their input.
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Ditto what somebody said about how you look driving down the road... at least once a week while out and about I see a truck so overloaded it makes me laugh. Usually, it's at least 25 year old equipment with a driver who looks like he just crawled out from under a rock.
I have to think if anyone is going to get pulled over it's got to be these types.
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Gunpilot77
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And that would be why hotshotters and car haulers, driving duellies, work legally in every state? I've seen hundreds of them pulling trailers like the one in the lower left picture.
typical hotshotter trailers
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fpresto
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And I have seen thousands of vehicles speeding but if you are the one pulled over telling the judge that everyone else was doing it doesn't work or at least it didn't for me.
I have always maintained that people who may be in violation of some law such as improper license, tow length too long, overweight, etc have very little to worry about unless they are pulled over for some other reason such as speeding, light burned out, etc. At that point the LEO may start to look at other things. If you don't attract attention and seem to be driving safe most will not give you a second look.
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rshidler
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I couldn't help but laugh at this! Too funny! You are a hoot Wadcutter.
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rshidler
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I wouldn't even begin to let them weigh my trailer. Nowere in my warranty does it say they get to weigh my trailer before approving any warranty work.
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Gunpilot77
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You obviously didn't read the text. They are hauling LEGALLY!!! They cross scales, have their USDOT numbers displayed, all that stuff.
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Thanks for all the imput. I feel relieved from the possitive feedback. My truck came with G rated tires, so I'm OK there. I think I'm going for a set of air bags to keep the headlights straight.
I don't carry anything in the bed and only light lawn stuff in the understorage. Anything inside that seems heavy I'll lay over the rear axles.
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