Rick_D wrote: Hmmm??? This member has made 1,596 posts and doesn't know the answer to this question? Must be very bored on a long weekend. Seems like a pretty classic 'troll post' to me.
Why do you seem compelled to respond to a thread? If you don't like it just pass and find one you like.
Maybe you should re-read your own post and listen to your own advice!
Where in mine am I being rude to the original poster???
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Diane you are absolutely right. If you want a weapon, then by all means get one, but why get on a forum and tell about it.
Usually these threads end up with a discussion on the 'double magnum Blastum' with exotic sights that can blast and skin a grizzly with one shot.
Now I do read them (very entertaining) and chuckle when this macho thing starts. Would like some popcorn, but the doc says no due to the diverticulum in my gut.
"There has been several times in our travels that the presence of a weapon has stopped a threat."
Yes I have a shot gun in the RV. But in all my years or traveling I have never been in a situation that required a weapon. I think your level of threat and mine differ on when pulling a gun is is the correct solution.
My problem is not the 2nd Amendment but the weapon in the hands of those who "think" they can handle them. Target shooting is not the same as panic shooting when threatened face to face with some big ugly so and so.. Most folks couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door in the dark when they are shaking like a leaf with some big object threatening them. I know police officers who have never ever shot at anyone, and readily admit they think about it as to whether they will be able to or not but suspect they can. But they have had training which makes them a lot different than the average "Joe" on the street.
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My problem is people who make blanket statements with no basis in fact about the ability of ordinary people to use a weapon for self- defense succesfully. The shooting magazines have pages of successful self defense in every issue, but I have yet to read a story in any print media about an armed citizen who injures themselves or an innocent bystander while trying to defend themselves.
The average "Joe" on the street seems quite capable of taking care of himself.
Personally, I have a cc permit but inside my trailer I have a metal ball bat. I think that would do the trick if someone came in. If not, my cc gun is second choice. All things considered, I simply want the intruder to leave and leave me alone. If I am in danger of personal harm, he/she will be the loser. I am too old to recover from a beating quickly and will very willingly give that beating to some stranger.
That being said, it worries me the number of cc people on here that respond. Not because I worry about the right or reason, simply because I fear I might be in the same campground where they choose to use their cc and it come through my trailer.
By the way, birdshot shells deter very good in a pistol. More like having a hand held shotgun with bird shot. Not lethal but certainly gets attention and after a couple of shots, most anyone will turn and run.
Jim
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As others have said it is up to you. However, if you choose to "carry" please learn how to use AND how to store it.
I remember last year reading of some children playing in a TT and coming across Dad's hidden weapon while the parents were out somewhere. One brother shot his little brother while "playing." It was quite tragic.
I have been trained to use firearms but do not own or carry one. I am much more frightened of being killed by reckless drivers than by the people I meet in remote settings.
"Whenever you find that you are on the side of the majority, it is time to reform."
Mark Twain
My problem is not the 2nd Amendment but the weapon in the hands of those who "think" they can handle them. Target shooting is not the same as panic shooting when threatened face to face with some big ugly so and so.. Most folks couldn't hit the broad side of a barn door in the dark when they are shaking like a leaf with some big object threatening them. I know police officers who have never ever shot at anyone, and readily admit they think about it as to whether they will be able to or not but suspect they can. But they have had training which makes them a lot different than the average "Joe" on the street.
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My problem is people who make blanket statements with no basis in fact about the ability of ordinary people to use a weapon for self- defense succesfully. The shooting magazines have pages of successful self defense in every issue, but I have yet to read a story in any print media about an armed citizen who injures themselves or an innocent bystander while trying to defend themselves.
The average "Joe" on the street seems quite capable of taking care of himself.
My statements , as I previously pointed out are based on facts. The fact that I was trained to handle weapons and unfortunately had to be trained to use them in a harmful manner. I also ,upon my return to the US was a Training NCO to train US Naval Officers the art of firing a 45 pistol. Let me tell you that was supposed to be the above average Joe, off the street and they were a real struggle at times.
The one thing I do know is that the average person who has a weapon is not properly trained and prepared to shoot a real person, in a stressful situation. They may have some experience target shooting and can be very good at it; but that's not the same as facing a live person who may also have a gun. And when you do you better besure you are ready to kill someone. No one is a John Wayne and can shoot the gun out of their hands or nick them in the shoulder. But that's a whole other topic.
With respect to "shooting magazines"....I wouldn't think they would sell very well if they were full of unsuccessful defense articles.
If one person gets hurt by a stray bullet that
's one too many. I have read many stories in newspapers where innocent folks have been shot by stray shells going through the walls of their homes.
I am not sure what you are basing your comment on about the average Joe on the street being capable of talking care of himself. He might be with a baseball bat or even his fists but I don't think so with a loaded gun.
I am not questioning the 2nd Amendment I am just like to see better controls on those who desire to have a weapon, with the intent to use it in a harmful manner.
Let's just say I do have a permit in my home state (some states have reciprocal agreements, some do not), and whether I carry a firearm or not is irrevelant, but I like to weigh the possibility of what could happen if I am charged with carrying one and never needing it, and the results thereof (usually a misdemeanor) against being in a situation where I needed it to protect a life, (not property, heck, they can have that) and NOT having it and the possible outcome of that situation. 'Nuff said!!! And remember, gun control means "using both hands to aim"!!!!
E.C. & Sandra Walker, (aka She Who Must Be Obeyed), and Baby, the "children cat" (non-camping), 1999 Ford F250 CC 4WD Powerstroke, 29' Wildcat RLBS 5ver.
Both my wife and I have concealed weapons permits and go no where without a pistol. Never have had the reason to use them, but would and will if that situation ever arises, that me or my family are in harms way. Keep loaded pistols beside my wife and myself at night whether we are at home, on the road in the TT or Motorcycle.
I doubt that there will ever be a reason to use them and you pray there isn't, however, the USMC made me very proficient and I have made my wife very proficient in the use of firearms just in the event that situation of life and death occurs and you will not have to worry that the intended target would be missed and there would be a stray round.
To bear arms is our given right and I personally believe that all you have to do is read the news and then decide if you want to have your family protected or not. More and more crazy things are happening, right in your back yard.
Not all individuals feel this way and that is perfectly OK as long as they do not take my right to bear arms away.
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rondeb wrote: More and more crazy things are happening, right in your back yard.
Just a couple of nights ago, in a neighboring community, a guy (probably a crackhead) broke in on an elderly gentleman and his wife. The elderly guy (in his eighties) heard the glass break, got his pistol and went to investigate, and confronted the burglar in his kitchen. When the homeowner demanded the man to leave, the burglar demanded that he give him his gun. He did. Three times. The burglar died of "lead poisoning" at the scene. No charges filed. I suspect a lawsuit may be filed from the crook's family, or maybe from some lawyers contending that he should not have killed the guy, but merely waited for him to be arrested so that he could face a trial with a court appointed defense team to be paid for by the taxpayers.
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